Crony capitalism in action; Texas county jacks up property taxes on minorities to build McMansions

Originally posted by ANOK
reply to post by neo96

 

How can you claim what isn't a part of capitalism?

Where is this rule book you are getting this from?

Capitalism is simply the private ownership of the means of production, it has NO rules, other than those imposed on it by the state.

Realise that capitalism itself is the problem, instead of looking for excuses for it.

edit on 2/9/2013 by ANOK because: (no reason given)

Pretty damn easy considering no person in this country owns the "means of production" the property produces income via property tax when a person fails to pay the "state" they seize the property and someone else pays them.

reply to post by Kali74


Its racist and happens all the time.

They do it more to poor people as a whole.Its not just minorities they use that tactic on.


1)Use poor people the drive down property values in an area.
2)Raise taxes and push them to another area to be prepped or give them section 8 or something
3)Build condos,studios,student lofts etc.
4)Price gouge buyers
5)Profit
6)Repeat

reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman

Its racist and happens all the time.

They do it more to poor people as a whole more often.

This is absolutely ridiculous!

1)Use poor people the drive down property values in an area.

So they (whoever THEY is) forced these people to buy property YEARS ago?

2)Raise taxes and push them to another area to be prepped

Would you like to share a link for this claim? What area was prepped?

3)Build condos,studios,student lofts etc.

No, they built subdivisions (houses and neighborhoods) and new roads and schools to accommodate all the new people moving to town. What would you expect the city to do?? Should they turn people away? I’m sure the ACLU would love that. I’m also sure you’d say they only turned away minorities!

4)Price gouge

Or as the rest of us call it – tax increases!

5)Profit

Shame on developers and cities for making a profit! EVIL PROFIT!!

6)Repeat

Of course! If they didn’t, what would you have to bitch about?

Originally posted by neo96
Pretty damn easy considering no person in this country owns the "means of production" the property produces income via property tax when a person fails to pay the "state" they seize the property and someone else pays them.

Look regardless of who actually does the owning, if the means of production are not owned in common then they are privately owned, whether that's by an individual, a collective, or a government.

Common ownership is worker ownership.

Anton Pannekoek 1947 Public Ownership and Common Ownership

But having said that, as long as they pay their taxes then yes they own the means of production. Many large companies have ways around paying taxes. You are a little naive about all this I think.

5 Tricks Corporations Use to Avoid Paying Taxes

Do you think they shouldn't pay taxes? Are you a business owner, why do you care? As for your taxes, the capitalist economy takes far more from you than the government does. Surplus value, and jacked up consumer prices. Why don't you have a problem with that? Maybe you need to look into it all a bit deeper?

Surplus Value

Difference between a worker's wages (exchange value) and the value of goods and services he or she produces (use value). Since use value is (or should be) always higher than the exchange value, workers produce a positive surplus value through their labor.

www.businessdictionary.com...

reply to post by ANOK


You are right. Unless you yourself are trading or creating a resource straight up your not a capitalist. Just a glorified service worker and a debt slave.

Does the normal every day smoe own a coal mine,oil deposits, wind turbines, or rare mineral viens? nope.
Railroads? Food stuffs like corn and soy(Monsanto TM almost)?

Nope.

No corporations do. Or they control the distribution rights.

We don't have pure capitalism. We shouldn't.

Pure capitalism(deregulated capitalism)would get us another recession scenario.

What we need is ALOT smaller government and ALOT stronger unions.

reply to post by seabag


They are property owners.

What they are doing is not wrong per say(no real legal protection exploiting people in this way but there is the civil route) its just good ol fashioned predatory business.

I think the problem is the property taxes where increased dispropotionately higher for minority owners(up to x10 higher)compared to non-minority owners in that neigherborhood.

I cannot read minds nor can I use god-like powers of all knowingness. I can make a simple conclusion that the increases in taxes were based on ethnicity or factors including ethnicity.

There is no reason why thiers should have increase that much in proportion to the non-minority property owners.

But that is just my opinion. I don't have all the facts. I am just going off the OP articles and the information available through it.

Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Pure capitalism(deregulated capitalism)would get us another recession scenario.

What we need is ALOT smaller government and ALOT stronger unions.

There is no "pure" capitalism. Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production. It can exist as that under any political system, even totalitarian.

Capitalism is capitalism, private ownership of the means of production, no matter what is looks like.

Under capitalism smaller government means less oversight, and more exploitation, not less. Capitalism requires government, it can not work without it. To understand what it would be like without government oversight just look at the industrial revolution in Britain.

The only way we can have less, or even no, government, is if the workers owned the means of production. Other wise capitalists would become the de facto state, a government would re-from from them because they hold the economic power to do so. The reason government gets more totalitarian is because capitalists gain more power over it. A totalitarian state is what capitalists want, as long as they control it. The more they can control the state, the more they can exploit it for their own gain. Power and control is what it's all about, the government we have is a result of capitalism. We need to change the economy to change the government.

reply to post by ANOK


Oh so now its "regardless of who actually does the owning" and off to the anti corporate rant after the anti capitalism rant failed.

That has jack do with property taxes which was the topic.

reply to post by seabag

There is nothing wrong with private businesses making money. It is wrong to raise property taxes higher for no reason other than they are minorities. But businesses are not in the business of being fair and moral(RE:Exxon mobile,monsanto and Bayer) they are in the business of making money for thier owners.

I told you they do this to alot of people as a whole not just to minorities. Like poor white people.

All they have to do is sue the property owners. They have a solid case.
Make it not profitable to do shady ravenous practices like this.

Its just predatory business. Trust me. I am like a couple of blocks away from one of thier "flip projects".
I don't like it. It pathetic. Buts its not illegal.(it should be).

Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
There is nothing wrong with private businesses making money.

I would disagree, because it is exploitation of labour.

The fundamental problem with capitalism is surplus value, the reason it is exploitation. The worker is required to produce more than they are paid for in order for the private owner/s to make profit.

Get rid of the private owners, and the workers earn the full fruits of their labour.

You must be a business owner?

reply to post by ANOK


You have to restrict capitalism.

Zero remove the Fed and have the US print/create its own money.
First repeal corporate personhood.
Second create powerful regional workers unions and worker cooperatives.
Third restrict the government(mainly the executive branch) to the limits of the constitution.
Fourth remove the income tax and the IRS.
Fifth flatlocal fair taxes created and agreed to by the communities and states that go to community programs and state inititives. No steep penalty for growing businesses.

That should do it.

reply to post by ANOK


They agreed to trade their services for wealth(chump change) no?

reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman

There is no reason why thiers should have increase that much in proportion to the non-minority property owners.

How is this even known then? Are you suggesting that the city accesses the census bureau to get info about demographics and the ethnicity of individual homeowners then proceeds to raise taxes on only minorities? While I won't deny the State might access census records, I doubt highly they are using it against minorities in tax levies. The reason the obama admin wanted data on minorities is so they could use redistricting to win elections for the Democrats. They are the real racists.
It would be interesting to see what the court decides on the case brought. Untill then, pics or it didn't happen. There I said it.

Originally posted by neo96
Oh so now its "regardless of who actually does the owning" and off to the anti corporate rant after the anti capitalism rant failed.

That has jack do with property taxes which was the topic.

What are you talking about? Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production, regardless of who the owner/s is. This is why the Soviet Russian economy is correctly labeled state-capitalism.

I wasn't commenting on property taxes, but your claim of nobody owning the means of production, and what capitalism is. Important to the topic I believe.

What anti-corporate rant? Nothing essentially wrong with corporations, unless they are privately owned. Capitalism is the problem not property taxes, is the point I am trying to make. Capitalism is why the government needs taxes in the first place. You won't change a problem without understanding the cause.

reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman


You are right, we don't have "pure Capitalism" because we have a mixed economy. Capitlalism that is not crony Capitalism is referred to as "free enterprise" or "laissez-faire", which at this point we do not have. The Nanny Staters and collectivists have made darn sure of that through excessive regulations, so much so that corporations move their facilities abroad to avoid them. Then Obama admin wants to raise taxes on the remaining ones to pay for his socialist healthcare system and other projects, including paying off his fellow travelers and people who gave support to his election.

Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
They agreed to trade their services for wealth(chump change) no?

But there is NO choice. The majority of people have no choice but to work for someone else.

In fact it is impossible for it to be any other way. We can't all be private business owners, who would work for you?

The only way we can all be in control of our own labour is through worker ownership.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


I am not a democrat.

I don't even think this person saying he's the president is who he is.

He's a bilderberg / CIA shill.

reply to post by ANOK

What are you talking about? Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production, regardless of who the owner/s is. This is why the Soviet Russian economy is correctly labeled state-capitalism.

What the hell does that have to do with a Texas county raising property taxes?

I wasn't commenting on property taxes, but your claim of nobody owning the means of production, and what capitalism is. Important to the topic I believe.

I know and it is no claim that is a fact the state owns the land which is why they get to create property taxes.

What anti-corporate rant? Nothing essentially wrong with corporations, unless they are privately owned. Capitalism is the problem not property taxes, is the point I am trying to make. Capitalism is why the government needs taxes in the first place. You won't change a problem without understanding the cause.

Yeah someone isn't acknowledging something here quite a bit state capitalism is ok then those tax increases are OK.

Since the state owns the land always will.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


This guy pretending to be our emperor is raising taxes to help pay his fellow partner in crime Ben Bernanke

I am not criticising business owners. What they did(though fraud) was legal. We are just stupid for falling for thier little pressure tactics.

We need a VASTLY restricted government and a legitimately regulated economy.

We need more powerful unions,a real representative congress that represents the people and not megacorps and powerful worker owned business entities.

Corporations can still outsource jobs to impoverished countries but US worker owned coops will not be outsourced and people will not buy thier slave labor goods over american made goods.

reply to post by neo96


You have to excuse us we are anarchists.

We don't really get "states". I believe in fair property taxes set by the community and agreed to by the owner.

If you don't pay your property taxes you don't get thrown out for it. You just don't have the community services available to you. (like water,garbage collection,sewage etc).

When own the land you own it. No yearly surcharges.