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I'm quite critical of religion. It makes two sort of people, depressed ones and self-righteous jerks who think they're better than everyone else.
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by NOTurTypical
I'm quite critical of religion. It makes two sort of people, depressed ones and self-righteous jerks who think they're better than everyone else.
Right! See? We can agree on some things!
The issue between you and me is that you believe the 'scriptures' to be inerrant and authentic, and I don't.
edit on 7-2-2013 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)
Those letters appeared in human history after both Thomas and Mary were dead.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
No, it was written by Christ's apostles...
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Those letters appeared in human history after both Thomas and Mary were dead.
And so did the "Gospels" appear in human history after Jesus was dead!
How is that apples to apples? None of the gospels claim to be written by Jesus. Thomas and Mary claim to be written by Thomas and Mary.
MacDonald's comparison of the Odyssey, 10-12, and Acts, 20:7-12, is most intriguing:
1. Odyssey 10-12: Odysseus and crew leave Troy and sail back to Achaea.
Acts 20:7-12: Paul and crew stop at Troy, having left Achaea to sail back to Jerusalem.
2. Odyssey 10-12: First person plural (most of book 10).
Acts 20:7-12: First person plural (20:1-8). (Gott note: these were switches from third person to first person.)
3. Odyssey 10-12: After a sojourn, a meal (10.466-77).
Acts: 20:7-12: After a sojourn, a meal (20:6,7,11).
4. Odyssey 10-12: Circe's 'dark halls' (10.479.)
Acts: 20:7-12: There were plenty of lamps in the upper room (20:8).
5. Odyssey 10-12: 'sweet sleep (glukon upnon, 10.548).
Acts 20:7-12: 'deep sleep' (upno bathei, 20:9).
6. Odyssey 10-12: Switch to third person (10.552).
Acts 20:7-12: Switch to third person (20:9).
7. Odyssey 10-12: There was one, Elpenor, the youngest of all lying on the roof (10.552).
Acts 20:7-12: A certain young man named Eutychus was seated at a window (20:9).
8. Odyssey 10-12: Elpenor fell from a roof (10.559-11.64).
Acts 20:7-12: Eutychus fell from the third story (20:9).
9. Odyssey 10-12: Elpenor's soul (psuche) goes to Hades (10.560-11.65).
Acts 20:7-12: Eutychus's soul (psuche) stays in him (20:10).
10. Odyssey 10-12: Delay in burying Elpenor until dawn of the next day (12.1-15).
Acts 20:7-12: Delay in raising Eutychus until dawn officials the next day (20:11).
11. Odyssey 10-12: Associates fetch the body 12.10).
Acts 20:7-12: Associates revive the body (20:12).
"The parallels between these stories are more lexical, more detailed, and more sequential than the rewritings of the Elpenor story by Plato, Plutarch, Virgil, and Apuleius discussed earlier.
Additional correlation can be found in Romulus by Plutarch, when he describes what occurred at Romulus' death: " . . . strange and unaccountable disorders and alterations took place in the air; the face of the sun was darkened, and the day turned into night, and that, too, no quiet, peaceable night, but with terrible thunderings, and boisterous winds from all quarters; during which the common people dispersed and fled, but the senators kept close together. The tempest being over and the light breaking out, when the people gathered again, they missed and inquired for their king; the senators suffered them not to search, or busy themselves about the matter, but commanded them to honor and worship Romulus as one taken up to the gods, and about to be to them, in the place of a good prince, now a propitious god. The multitude, hearing this, went away believing and rejoicing in hopes of good things from him; but there were some, who, canvassing the matter in a hostile temper, accused and aspersed the patricians, as men that persuaded the people to believe ridiculous tales, when they themselves were the murderers of the king."
Luke 23:44-48: "It came now about noon, and darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon, while the sun's light failed; and the curtain of the temple was torn in two. Then Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, 'Father, into your hands I commend my spirit.' Having said this, he breathed his last. When the centurion saw what had taken place, he praised God and said, 'Certainly this man was innocent.' And when all the crowds who had gathered there for this spectacle saw what had taken place, they returned home, beating their breasts."