I think you touched on this with the con, but how do you account for matter continuing to pour into a black hole. And there is also the concept of Hawking radiation. But anyway, good ideas!

just now remembering about Hawking radiation... i saw a show about that a long while back didnt even know what it was called at the time but i can now see the animation of it on the video as i read this quote:

Virtual particle pairs are constantly being created near the horizon of the black hole, as they are everywhere. Normally, they are created as a particle-antiparticle pair and they quickly annihilate each other. But near the horizon of a black hole, it's possible for one to fall in before the annihilation can happen, in which case the other one escapes as Hawking radiation.

and just learned something new as i was looking more into 'vitual particles'

Particles continuously come into existence and go out of existence all of the time. This property follows directly from the quantum nature of the sub-atomic world.

so from what i get, i think what happens is that the forces of the black hole cause these virtual particles to become seperated from its conjoined particle and as a result the remaining particle is seen as the radiation.

and then its not that the black hole is lossing its mass (so to say) but is causing vitual particles to split and 'captures' one before they can destroy themselves

there is too little matter in a star to create a hole universe and that does not answer where the stars came from

Originally posted by DarkSide
there is too little matter in a star to create a hole universe and that does not answer where the stars came from

The star could be unimaginabley larger than anything in our own universe.Large enough to consist all our known universe in it.Remember to think beyond our universal physics.There could be a universe for every star in our own universe!!

its not a question of 'matter' in a star, its more about mass... mass deals with gravity, gravity causes curvature of space/time. when a star emplodes on itself it consists of such a huge amount of density in such a small volume that light cannot even escape its gravitational pull. there are ideas of what the effects of this would be on the time/space around it (in the evant horizon) but once incide the black hole, well no one knows

My question is, how can you make something from nothing? If there was absolutely nothing in the beginning there would still be nothing. After all you cant make Jello with out the jello mix .

Something else, if there was nothing in the beginning what would have caused the big bang? Nothing cant fracture nothing and cause it so what else could it have been?