Muslims to march on White House next September 11th

reply to post by mike_trivisonno


i actually think that you are engaging in hate, and that you cannot find a practical way of dealing with the issue. you should think through what you proposed earlier, unless you have decided it is unworkable and actually anti-freedom, in which case fine. but calling me a troll for pointing out that your proposed pogrom is sheer nonsense is the real intellectual dishonesty here.

we could argue history all day, but getting historical education from sites that are simply one-sided anti islam propaganda makes you a victim of disinfo and ensures you cannot see the hate and violence carried out by many religions, nations and so forth throughout history.

sadly you are just consumed by one eyed prejudice

Originally posted by ElijahWanLets say you're Hawaiian. Then on 11/11/12, we get attacked by Hawaiian terrorists. Ever since then, everywhere you go, just because you're Hawaiian people assume you're a terrorist or hate the "West". You try and try to tell people "No I'm not a terrorist, I'm Hawaiian, yes, but I'm not a terrorist" yet they won't listen to you.

Exactly the same stigmas was attached to being Irish. Particularly in the 1970s and early 1980s.

The plain fact is that ONLY muslims engage in Jihad. You will not find Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, or members of any other faith engaging in Jihad.

Does Islamic Jihad Exists? Yes.
Do muslims engage in Jihad? Yes.
Is Jihad the mechanical process by which muslims propagate their culture? Yes.

Do Christians engage in Jihad in an effort to spread Islamic culture? No.
Do Jews engage in Jihad in an effort to spread Islamic culture? No.

Jihad is unique to muslims and is not practiced by any other people on the planet. Jihad is the mechanical process by which muslims expand their culture into non-muslim lands. Wherever muslims interface with non-muslims there is Jihad.

You are wrong, muslims are not the only faith to practice "Jihad".

What were the Crusades in the middle ages, just a bunch of christians that went out for a picnic? Yes they went to "protect the travelers being acosted", but it is naive to believe that was the only reason they went to the middle east. They were on a mission to make Christianity the regions dominant religion. That to me means that they were a participant in the idealism of Jihad whether they used that particular word or not.

All religions are participants. I suppose they went to the new world just for a walk in the park also?

No wait, they decided that they were going to bring Christianity to native americans whether they wanted it or not also.....kinda sounds like Jihad to me to be perfectly honest!

Well, we could ask the druids of England of thier beliefs being trampled, or the Norse of thiers. They might have thier own opinions about whether it was Jihad, well, if they were around to tell us that is.....

Some people use religion to thier own ends and do unspeakable evil, that does not mean that all who practice the religion are evil, and that is true for all religions! Something to think about, and if you ignore what I have said then I guess you might just be invisible to your own special form of Jihad.

reply to post by ollncasino


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reply to post by ollncasino


Kent State University 1970 - 4 students killed

9poundhammer.blogspot.com.au...








What No Difference 42 years makes in the US

42 years of Progress Nato Protestors being beaten in Chicago
a.abcnews.com...

and Islam is barbaric?

reply to post by MichiganSwampBuck

With all those followers of Mohammad in the same place as those traitors in D.C., it could be the best opportunity to solve most of our current problems in the States in a single move. Use your imagination on how that could go down.

So what you're advocating is a weapon of Mass Destruction, dont you think thats extreme for many reasons the main one being that you will create 10 million future Islamist martys and give an excuse for the US to bomb most countries to Oblivion

reply to post by skalla


To:mike_trivisonno I think your intelectual clarification about Jihad is well thought our and to the point of what we are dealing with

how do you ban a belief? how do you police such a ban and monitor wether a mosque has been set up? are you suggesting that you ammend the constitution of the us to enable these bans? how would you restrict access to information such as the koran, discussion groups, the internet etc? how do you deal with converts to islam in this new regime, how would you find out about their conversion and where would you deport them to if they are us citizens etc?

You would begin the sme way any invader subsumes a culture
1) make the speaking of their language in public illegal
2) limit access to knowledge ( a bit difficult in the Internet age )
3) For immigrant make them sit for re education classes ie Host country language, history, tolerance
4) Make it so they cannot ghetto-ize a suburb, spread them out

But with being signatories to UN treaties and human rights conventions could be a bit difficult

Language is always the key, control the language and you control the thoughts ideas concepts.

nb: At my English speakiing workplace "asians" are allowed to speak amongst themselves in their native toungue (which under discrimination existing laws we have to shut up and put up with) and you know damn well by their gestures eye contact and 1 actual run in tc that they are critisizing and laughing at us (BTW I am a first generation immigrant from a southern Euro country in Australia) They then slowly bring in their mates to take over vacancies....before you know it the workplace in the space of 3 years has increased its Asian participation by 30-40%. In another employer in the same industry they have undercutted the cost of their labour by 20-30% so they get a foot in the door. Now that employer has a ratio of Euro/Whites 20% Asian 80%

reply to post by KingIcarus

I just don't think there's a concerted jihadi effort to take over the world

I beg to differ gatesofvienna.net...

Tons of eye opening historical and current info as to how they are under the guise of multiculturism sneaking their way in.

"Geert Wilders has been invited by the Q Society to speak in Australia, and he is scheduled to make two appearances there next month. But he has yet to be issued a visa to enter the country, which after three weeks is an unusual circumstance.

The fact that his visa is being held up — and that he may be denied permission to enter Australia — just happened to come to light immediately after last weekend’s Muslim riots in Sydney. As a result, Mr. Wilders’ case is getting a lot of coverage in the Australian MSM."

Why in a democratic society aren't we allowed to listen to opposing viewpoints?

As to the short span of time that you lived at the epicentre dont forget they have time on their side...its a long patient process.

reply to post by ollncasino

So we have a second poster who on the one hand refuses to allow their kids to enjoy Santa or the Tooth Fairy but who on the other hand jump to the defense of Islam. What a barrel of laughs you two are. Do you just not like Western culture much?

And therein lies the crux: Thanks to to multiculturism agenda we "westerners" have become like the self loathing jew, too scared to tell our kids thats it not alright for 2 men or 2 women to be walking down the street openly in your face tongue kissing, its not alright to wear the Burkha in certain places. its not alright to have a mosque near ground zero, its healthy to critisize and question Islams goals, its alright to ask why whole streets in commercial districts of Aust have shops with signage only in Chinese characters,

The tragedy of Anglo-Saxon self-hatred www.wnd.com...

"Multiculturalism destroys the cultural integrity of a free and democratic society" very succinct

reply to post by MamaJ

I jump to the defense of anyone who is being "hated" on. Has nothing to do with Western culture as I am a proud American who believes in freedom.

Funny how that freedom has been corrupted to the US creating 100 wars in the last centtury. All it did was create more anti US sentiment, constant wars and a new generation of martyrs,
Lets not talk about your looting of Iraq, Libyan oil, looting of Afghanistan for rare earths, destruction of the Amazon, destruction of Alaska through gas exploration. Do you jump on your Govt? Or are you happy with your level of wealth being at the expense of others?
Read history much

reply to post by shivaX

Explain the violent side of Buddhism.

www.loonwatch.com...

Buddhist Propaganda It was then that I realized that I was a consumer of a very successful form of propaganda. Since the early 1900s, Buddhist monastic intellectuals such as Walpola Rahula, D. T. Suzuki, and Tenzin Gyatso, the Fourteenth Dalai Lama, have labored to raise Western awareness of their cultures and traditions. In doing so, they presented specific aspects of their Buddhist traditions while leaving out others.

Really eye opening wealth of information


Whilst I agree with your premise of Islam being a Conquering Ideology lets not cherry pick


Lets also not forget the number of Mosque attacked by Hindus in India

reply to post by Mclaneinc


www.wanttoknow.info...
Zbigniew Brzezinski
The Grand Chessboard
American Primacy And It's Geostrategic Imperatives

"Never before has a populist democracy attained international supremacy. But the pursuit of power is not a goal that commands popular passion, except in conditions of a sudden threat or challenge to the public's sense of domestic well-being. The economic self-denial (that is, defense spending) and the human sacrifice (casualties, even among professional soldiers) required in the effort are uncongenial to democratic instincts. Democracy is inimical to imperial mobilization." (p.35)

You are British ...lets not forget Britains dominance, cowardly addicting the whole Chinese nation in the Opium wars

the mind of a person that would do this is pure and utter evil, sadly (again) this seems to happen in Radicalised countries where life seems worth zero.

and to this
His Royal Virus Prince Philip

1god1truth.blogspot.com.au/2009/09/his-royal-virus-prince-philip.html


and to this; from the Ruling "Compassionate Westerner Elite"
endoftheamericandream.com... -that-will-make-you-want-to-lose-your-lunch

Ah yes the "Mind of A Person" ...who would do such a thing and yet you actively support the above through your taxation/defence spending/acquiescence/silence

Who funds the Arab Upsrising, the Syrian revolts....westerners who have everything to gain in destabilizing a nation and looting their resources...need I go on about Africa and their British puppets

Throughoutthis thread and many others on islam, there is a theme of how people carry on with "hate" against this religion. Maybr before people fall for the victim squealing of some they might like to see something of this special" brand of islam that could end up in western countries. Here is part of an email I have received::::


Ripping the West in Two.

Author and lecturer Nonie Darwish says the goal of radical Islamists is to impose Shariah law on the world, ripping Western law and liberty in two.

She recently authored the book, Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law. Darwish was born in Cairo and spent her childhood in Egypt and Gaza before immigrating to America in 1978, when she was eight years old. Her father died while leading covert attacks on Israel . He was a high-ranking Egyptian military officer stationed with his family in Gaza ...

When he died, he was considered a "shahid," a martyr for jihad. His posthumous status earned Nonie and her family an elevated position in Muslim society..
But Darwish developed a skeptical eye at an early age. She questioned her own Muslim culture and upbringing.. She converted to Christianity after hearing a Christian preacher on television.
In her latest book, Darwish warns about creeping shariah law - what it is, what it means, and how it is manifested in Islamic countries.

Interesting hey?

reply to post by TheConstruKctionofLight


It is fashionable in Western Civilization these days to willingly ignore the history of Islam, its goals, and the methods used to achieve those goals. And, as is evidenced throughout this thread, there is the tendency of Westerners to immediately assume that Islamic culture is in some way superior to Western Civilization, that it has suffered mightily at the devious and dishonest hands of Westerners, and that any disparaging remarks about Islam are egregious words of uninformed hatred uttered from a position of total ignorance.

And so, open displays of Jihad and expression of Islamic supremacism such as this highly offensive March on Washington, DC, are not only tolerated but proudly encouraged by those Westerners who lack a historical understanding of Jihad and at the same time harbor unfounded feelings a hatred for their own Western Culture; that the West is always to blame and that Islam is forever the innocent child beaten for no reason.

The Crusades are generally brought into the argument as was done by Darkphoenix77 as an example of the Christian West attacking, without cause or provocation, the innocent muslims, while conveniently ignoring the historical facts. In this instance Crusades were a response to the violent Jihad process being implemented in the holy lands in an effort to spread Islamic culture. Darkphoenix77 even goes so far as to describe The Crusades as Jihad; a stunning display of historical ignorance and linguistic dishonesty.

There are several steps that muslims could take to reform Islam. Sadly, there is little chance of any of the reforms being enacted for they are anathema to the teachings of Islam. They are:
- Stop presenting Allah as the God of the Bible
- Renounce Sharia Law
- Renounce Jihad is all its forms
- Stop killing apostates

Failing that, we can only protect our culture, our lands, and our peoples by reducing the amount of Islam to which we are exposed, not increasing it. If muslims are too weak to reform themselves, then it is our duty to reject them and their violent way of living.

reply to post by mike_trivisonno


Have you ever actually met any muslims? Because it sounds to me like you're taking your information very second hand.

It's a bit like watching a video of Fred Phelps and deciding that's what all Christians are like.

Originally posted by JuniorDisco
reply to post by mike_trivisonno

 

Have you ever actually met any muslims? Because it sounds to me like you're taking your information very second hand.

It's a bit like watching a video of Fred Phelps and deciding that's what all Christians are like.

Well this is from a once muslim woman.

Author and lecturer Nonie Darwish says the goal of radical Islamists is to impose Shariah law on the world, ripping Western law and liberty in two.

AND

In her latest book, Darwish warns about creeping shariah law - what it is, what it means, and how it is manifested in Islamic countries.

For the West, she says radical Islamists are working to impose sharia on the world. If that happens, Western civilization will be destroyed. Westerners generally assume all religions encourage a respect for the dignity of each individual.. Islamic law (Sharia) teaches that non-Muslims should be subjugated or killed in this world.

AND

While Westerners tend to think that all religions encourage some form of the golden rule, Shariah teaches two systems of ethics - one for Muslims and another for non-Muslims. Building on tribal practices of the seventh century, Shariah encourages the side of humanity that wants to take from and subjugate others..

reply to post by JuniorDisco

Have you ever actually met any muslims? Because it sounds to me like you're taking your information very second hand.

Yes, I have met and work with muslims on a regular basis. However, the quantity of personal interactions that I have with muslims has almost nothing to do the mechanics of spreading Islamic culture using the process of Jihad.

The "second hand" information to which you refer is the historical record. I admit that I was not there to witness the inception of Islam. I must confess to being absent from the slaughter of the Zoroastrians and the subsequent fall of Persia to Islamic Jihad. And I was not there to witness first-hand the fall of Byzantium. And I openly admit my glaring absence from the Battle of Tours, The Battle of Lepanto, the fall of Spain to Jihad... and the Reconquista. Indeed, I openly proclaim my absence from a great majority of human history. Second hand information, indeed....

Originally posted by greatfriendbadfoe


Well this is from a once muslim woman.

Author and lecturer Nonie Darwish says the goal of radical Islamists is to impose Shariah law on the world, ripping Western law and liberty in two.

So what? There's loads of radical christians who want all kinds of crazy stuff.

While Westerners tend to think that all religions encourage some form of the golden rule, Shariah teaches two systems of ethics - one for Muslims and another for non-Muslims. Building on tribal practices of the seventh century, Shariah encourages the side of humanity that wants to take from and subjugate others..

A bit like christianity did with indigenous people the world over.

If you think Islam has been used as a mechanism for subjugation and conquest try Christianity. Half the countries of the world were colonised based on the inherent superiority of christians.

Look, no one is saying there aren't nutters in islam or issues with it as a religion. But you guys who think all muslims are raving sharia freaks who want nothing more than to enslave your women and chop off your heads need to expand your experience a bit.

reply to post by JuniorDisco


sure, let's just ignore this maggot group that are hell bent on bringing in their pathetic dogma.

a bit more for you to chew on

The Shariah Muslim law controls the private as well as the public life of the woman.
In the Western World ( Canada, Australia, United States and Britain ) Muslim men are starting to demand Shariah Law so the wife can not obtain a divorce and he can have full and complete control of her. It is amazing and alarming how many of our sisters and daughters attending Am erican, Canadian, Universities and British Universities are now marrying Muslim men and submitting themselves and their children unsuspectingly to the Shariah law.

AND why is the above so worrying?

In the Muslim faith a Muslim man can marry a child as young as 1 year old and have sexual intimacy with this child. Consummating the marriage by 9.

The dowry is given to the family in exchange for the woman (who becomes his slave) and for the purchase of the private parts of the woman, to use her as a toy.

Even though a woman is abused she can not obtain a divorce.

To prove rape, the woman must have (4) male witnesses.

Often after a woman has been raped, she is returned to her family and the family must return the dowry. The family has the right to execute her (an honor killing) to restore the honor of the family. Husbands can beat the ir wives 'at will' and he does not have to say why he has beaten her.

The husband is permitted to have (4 wives) and a temporary wife for an hour (prostitute) at his discretion.

Keep it coming junior, your deflection towards christianity won't work we can talk about that rubbish religion on another day. Let's stick to islam right now since that is what the topic is about and why muslims marching could be a worry.

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
reply to post by JuniorDisco

 

Have you ever actually met any muslims? Because it sounds to me like you're taking your information very second hand.

Yes, I have met and work with muslims on a regular basis. However, the quantity of personal interactions that I have with muslims has almost nothing to do the mechanics of spreading Islamic culture using the process of Jihad.

The "second hand" information to which you refer is the historical record. I admit that I was not there to witness the inception of Islam. I must confess to being absent from the slaughter of the Zoroastrians and the subsequent fall of Persia to Islamic Jihad. And I was not there to witness first-hand the fall of Byzantium. And I openly admit my glaring absence from the Battle of Tours, The Battle of Lepanto, the fall of Spain to Jihad... and the Reconquista. Indeed, I openly proclaim my absence from a great majority of human history. Second hand information, indeed....

Were you there when South America was colonised and christians slaughtered 15 million natives for not being christian? Perhaps you were around when the "first" Americans started exterminating pagan Indians under the banner of being initially unable to convert them to Christianity? Maybe you counted the death toll from violence alone in both Americas? It was around the 50 million mark.

Maybe you remember the biblically-endorsed slave trade in Africa? Or the discrimination and pogroms carried out by Christian Belgian colonists in central Africa?

Perhaps you were around earlier, when the Christian emperor Charlemagne beheaded anyone who refused to convert, including 4500 saxons in 782. What about the battle of Askalon in the 11th century where 200,000 heathens were slaughtered. Or for the violent 'pacification' of Celtic Ireland by Christian British troops in the 17th century that left tens of thousands dead.

How about the Franciscans who enthusiastically participated in the holocaust and at the end of the war helped nazis escape to South America?


Or maybe you realise that people have used all sorts of religions to endorse violence and power hunger for several thousand years, and that bringing up the battle of Lepanto as evidence that most muslims still want to take over the world is completely idiotic.