Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Bluesma
so, if not 'nature' then what ??
did government give you life ?
maybe a specific breeding law that i've never encountered ?
was it just a 'miracle' to you or what exactly ?
i do not follow that train of thought, please clarify.
do you see yourself as a product of science ?
if you believe in or exercise 'free will', where did it come from ?
You can look up the actual details of conception, my posts are long enough without having to explain that to you!
The philosophical questions of existentialism and free will, I can share my perspectives on, but that goes off the topic a bit too far- in any case,
having something has nothing to do with rights. I also have thumbs, that does not mean anything or anyone gave me the "right to have thumbs".
illegal means a particular act deserves punishment, period.
how you interpret punishment as removing a 'right' is beyond me
Illegal means your particular society has deemed the act unacceptable, and they have determined certain punishments to go with them. Legal means they
have deemed the act to be acceptable and determined that all members must agree to strive to allow each other that act.
If there was a punishment, then that means the act was judged by the society not as legal and a right, but illegal and not a right. Simple.
"self-evident" = santa claus language ??
Okay, if you lost my reference to the paragraph just before that, I shall repeat-
using language such as "natural" "universal" "God given" (Allah given, etc....)" self-evident", "sacred" all refer to a power that is beyond man, and
untouchable, unquestionable, cannot be challenged. I compared this method to that of telling children Santa brings presents.
animals recognize 'self-evident' without any dogma, why can't you ??
AH! If you want to follow my nudge and move that concept to describing "survival instinct" which we all share and so do animals, that gives us meat
Social animals (which we are) have the drive to form social groupings as one way of increasing their chances of survival. Part of that working
effectively is by members adhering to limits of behavior meant to protect each others lives?
An animal that lives outside a group, on it's own, has more freedom and does not have to discipline it's behavior. It also must use more energy for
keeping itself alive.
You wil notice that the rules do not apply to outsiders- acts not allowed within the group are certainly allowed toward outsiders! You can kill an
outsider with no punishment. Because the right and responsibility exists only within the group.
THat is why our country lays down the "right to life" and yet makes no punishment for the soldier that takes the life of a person believed to be part
of a terrorist group. That right isn't considered as "universal" as you were told.
but, laws haven't even reduced drunk driving let alone prevent it. laws have never prevented murder, what makes you think they would ?
Well, now, that's just silly. Yes, the numbers of innocent deaths due to drunk driving went down with drunk driving laws. I watched here, where they
made the laws stricter about ten years ago, and the numbers went down a LOT.
I did say they weren't infallible.... but if you only save a few hundred people from having their life taken against their will or choice, that is
if your 'kid' isn't of 'lawful age' to be driving the equipment, he/she and you are lawbreakers ... that's the point. in your mind, that's ok cause no
one is around for him to harm ... who cares that it would be illegal, right ?
Yes, we are lawbreakers in that case. But it is just plain stupid to focus so much on the language to forget the REASON. If someone tells me, hey,
there are people who go on that road of yours now, so your son driving the truck on it puts them at risk" I would make sure he didn't do it anymore.
The police tolerate it because common sense is respected in this world- lawyers don't rule in this country with retoric. I know the police wouldn't
tolerate it if we lived in a big city (and I recognize why!)
it is no more legal to litter on the roadway than it is at a carnival. location nor concentration of ppl make a dang difference.
It is however legal in many countries to litter on your own property. It is also tolerated in isolated areas where no one else is concerned.
also, i thought you said you had 'links' to share ??
what happened ?? couldn't find any to back up this BS ??
Oh THAT's a screwy game! I come back here to post them and read you just wrote you refuse to discuss the subject of drivers licenses with me, so I
leave them out... then you say THIS?? Why not just make up your mind? You have the freedom to choose to continue that discussion or not, I will
respect it either way, you just need to CHOOSE!!
Okay, putting them on the next post.....
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