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Originally posted by ParasuvO
reply to post by EnochWasRight
So you are in agreement that Christianity is largely barking up the wrong tree, and perhaps even yourself needs to look elsewhere for answers.
Less riddles occur once you perceive higher dimensions, in fact all of the Bible is easy to throw out as well as all of the other texts...
Originally posted by arpgme
Jesus is Lucifer, I agree. In Revelations 22, Jesus calls himself "The Morning Star - Lucifer". They edited out the word "Lucifer" but they left the name "The Morning Star" in which is still an alternative name for "Lucifer".
Yahweh is darkness, that is why he says he creates light and chaos (disruption of light - by darkness). The rebellious spirit of Lucifer may have in fact been Jesus!
In The New Testament , the teaching was that "God IS Light" and "God IS Love", but the old testament says god is "Jealous, Wrathful, Angry" and that he was in "darkness" and he began to "create" light.
But Both, Yahweh (of darkness) and Jesus (the one called "the light"), are they "THE" creator god of heaven and Earth which was labelled as "The mighty one (Elohim)"?
Yahweh and Jesus BOTH believe in original sin, even though THE creator in Genesis 1 said that ALL fruit bearing trees were for man to eat. They are BOTH contradicting the "Heaven and Earth"'s Creator's words.
Originally posted by Aesir26
reply to post by Deetermined
Deetermined wrote: "Jesus is not Lucifer. Jesus is the Morning Star and Lucifer is the son of the Morning Star. Jesus created Lucifer."
Why are you determined to be so perverse? What is actually written is that Lucifer is "the Morning Star", or "the Light-Bringer", SON OF THE DAWN, not "son of the morning star". Here is the biblical verse Isaiah 14:12 with parallel translations:
1) New American Standard Bible: "How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations!"
2) King James Bible: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"
3) Hebrew: איך נפלת משמים הילל בן־שחר נגדעת לארץ חולש על־גוים׃ "How have fallen heaven star son of the dawn have been cut to the earth have weakened and the nations". (Who incarnated/crystallized here on Earth?)
הילל בן־שחר Helel ben Shachar "Star/Shining One, son of the Dawn"
Lucifer: Latin "lux" (genitive lucis) "light" (see light (n.)) + "ferre" "carry"
ἑωσφόρος: Greek "bringer of dawn" (as opposed to the bringer of darkness, Yahweh)
2Peter 1:19 uses both terms "dawn" and "morning star" in the same verse to reference whom? Satan? Hardly.
The New Testament unfailingly describes the Heavenly Father in terms of "God is light" and it teaches us to "walk in the light of Christ". Never is Jesus associated with "the darkness of Christ", or "the furious wrath of Jesus".
Deetermined wrote: "Yahweh wasn't IN darkness. Yahweh is light."
Really?? Are we reading the same bible?
"Woe unto you that desire the day of Yahweh! to what end is it for you? the day of Yahweh is darkness, and not light." (Amos 5:18)
"Give glory to Yahweh your God, Before He brings darkness And before your feet stumble On the dusky mountains, And while you are hoping for light He makes it into deep darkness, And turns it into gloom."
"The sun will be turned into darkness And the moon into blood Before the great and awesome day of Yahweh comes." (Joel 2:31)
""All the shining lights in the heavens I will darken over you And will set darkness on your land," Declares Yahweh." (Eze 32:8)
"I will give you the treasures of darkness And hidden wealth of secret places, So that you may know that it is I, Yahweh, the God of Israel, who calls you by your name." (Isa 45:3)
"Then said Solomon, Yahweh hath said that he would dwell in the thick darkness." (2Chr 6:1)
Originally posted by Aesir26
reply to post by Aesir26
Compare Genesis 1:1-2 with Revelation 20:1-3 and Jude 1:6
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters." (Gen 1:1-2)
"Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he threw him into the abyss." (Rev 20:1-3)
"And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day" (Jude 1:6)
The terms "the surface of the deep" and "the surface of the waters" used in Genesis is "the abyss", "ἄβυσσος" of Revelation, a term described by Strong's Concordance as "unfathomable watery depths". You see, Yahweh had already been cast out of the light into the dark abyss."
Yahweh is the Christian Satan.
Lucifer is Jesus.