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Hamas expresses regret for 5 U.S deaths

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posted on Aug, 2 2002 @ 02:51 PM
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In an interview in his home in Gaza City, Abdel Aziz Rantisi was asked the fact that 5 of seven killed were Americans.He said almost offhandly, "we are so sorry for that,because you know that the fighters will not check the identity card of those on the field".
We are sorry for every innocent killed in that operation.We are not targeting Americans.We want to say clearly or conflict is with occupation,not with America or any other state.



Yeah, they know if they piss of the U.S, Hamas will no longer exist.




posted on Aug, 4 2002 @ 01:38 PM
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Whats the source on that btw?

Nice to see the war on terrorism putting a little scare into the wankers. In the first few hours after sept 11 one of the palestinian terrorist groups, dont remember which one (might even have been hamas). Claimed responsibility, which they quickly unclaimed as the scale of the event and therefore the scale of the revenge to be expected became clear.

Although I'd guess he is privately rejoicing the fact that other nationalities were killed. Its like an added bonus for him.



posted on Aug, 4 2002 @ 01:50 PM
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Yeah I'm sure there doing there happy camel dance,well out of site.



posted on Aug, 5 2002 @ 04:08 PM
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some of you guys post are just out right hard to read, honestly you sicken me, i know you think you're clever and all...oh well, my response to the thread:

of course we don't wanna go after Hamas for the accidental death of five US citizens who prolly had dual citizenship anyways, seeing as how we are in the Phillipines, Central Asia, Afghanistan, flying countless missions over supposed "coca plantations" in Central and South America, and soon Iraq...the strongest military in the world is already stretched pretty thin. let Isreal kill palestinians, we're too busy killing everybody else-plus, last thing we need is to truly show whose side we are on, our interest in oil isn't stablized enough yet, we need to take over Iraq and get the caspian sea pipeline up and running before we turn our backs on our Arab "allies". (sickening).



posted on Aug, 5 2002 @ 04:51 PM
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I belive 3 were U.S born, the others did have duel citizenshhip.I don't look at it as an Isreal-Palastine war when some Americans at a school get blown up. They had nothing to with the fighting.Hamas is a terrorist group,they should be dealt with.If Isreal can't take them out we should.You may not of liked our remarks,but they were probably true.They would view killing Americans as a bonus.



posted on Aug, 5 2002 @ 05:29 PM
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What, killing citizens of the "Great Satan"?

Hamas has openly stated that they don't want a Palestinian homeland, they want the Jews gone - period.
I guess we should all sit back and think nice, peaceful thoughts, and the bad people will all be moved by our ability to meditate and will leave us all alone. They's like us to think that, anyway.

BTW, Saphie, we have no Arab "allies"; they only use us as they see fit, and wait for the day that we are weak. They have absolutely nothing in common with us and aren't tops on the West Fan Club. They never will be. We are ideological opposed, they have no desire for their people to have democratic liberties and they have to conquer the world and force all to Islam or they are not following the religious duties. While you are always ready to doubt everything put out by the west as their reasons for actions, use the same scepticism when consuming the information put out by the Islamic states. And remember, they are religiously able to lie to the infidel as that is not really a lie, but strategically spreading disinformation.



posted on Aug, 5 2002 @ 07:58 PM
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just in case none of you are looking--our governments (the so called "west") are acting a little like Rome in these here times, no one liked Rome much you see cause their whole existence depended on murdering and raping their conquered neighbors because they had no real resources themselves (sound familiar?) and oh, they didn't exclude their so called "citizens" either, turned them into slaves for the rich aristocracy. so if Hamas and just about every other third world nations citizens want us dead we only have to look at our government and it's policies and practices for the reason because when you promote poverty at gun point in nearly every nation that has natural resources you are not gonna make many friends. just so you guys know, i call any support of the ruining of america and her economy and her reputation treason. i will not go away believe that. please wake up, you're not in Kansas, or Florida, or Georgia, or Alabama or where you think you are, you're not there anymore.


*just so y'all know i don't support murder of any kind, at any time...i don't care if they are american or not all murder is wrong.



posted on Aug, 5 2002 @ 08:46 PM
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I did not realize I was a slave.I can act and think any way I choose.I also belive America is the leading export country.Off the top of my head,the only thing we import,is oil., cars ,and tv's and other various toy's.The countries we BY these products are glad we do,we send a lot of money there way.



By the way,I woke up in CA this morning,please tell me where I live now.



posted on Aug, 5 2002 @ 08:54 PM
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Yes we are like Rome in its golden years...... in a way. WE are rich and prosprous like ROme. We have the strongest military in the world. Have a democrasy. But we dont conquesr nations in an attempt to futher the Pax Ameriacana. WE have never made a preemptive strike against anyone. All of our wars, battles, attacks we because we were attacked or one of the ppl we have a treaty with was attacked or if we disabled a resigm because of there vilation of human rights. WE also have checks and balances unlike Rome. The President cant cross the Rhine and conquer his own country. In ways we are like rome in ways were not but our counrty is the greatist country ever.



posted on Aug, 5 2002 @ 09:17 PM
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Now, Saphie, that was a way out there statement. You know that. Our nation is not conquering nations, we hold no slaves, save the tax-payers of course, and the notion that we promote poverty at gunpoint every nation that has resources. Do you think this nation has no resources? My gosh, what kind of bent education system has taught you this? I mean, I can admire one who yearns for peace, but let's not inflate reality to make our position look more dire.

Just like Rome, our morals are slipping, pleasures are taking the priority, and comfort is at the forefront, even above duty. There are similarities, but the similarities demonstrate how we will be conquered, not because of the enemies strength, but our weakness. Their is no security or future in weakness. We will have no friends as they will leave us because we offer them nothing. And besides, who wants to hang out with the spoiled one?



posted on Aug, 6 2002 @ 06:24 PM
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we don't conquer in the same way Rome did, no not always...mostly we go in and dismantle economically, forcing govenments to play by our rules. then comes the privatization of things like water and food. in a sense we do control the resources of every third world nation--through so called "debt" (usually duties on exports). as they try to pay we devalue their currency thus raising the amounts putting them in situation where they can only borrow from the World Bank to pay these "debts"--our rules. when they can't pay we force them to turn certain resource industry over to corporations to run.

here at home slowly the independant farmer is being forced to sell and their land is be developed into new housing (don't tell me you haven't noticed this). independant farms are becoming a thing of the past. soon no americans will be growing. same with mass production. we are becoming less and less of an industrialized nation slowly moving toward so called service based industries such as telecommunications and financial services. factories are moving to the third world or shutting down completely nearly every state has there old factories in abandoned small towns that once boomed in the good ole days '40-60's, before the take over...before JFK.

this is why it is important to control the resources of other countries because soon america won't be growing or producing. and the new government will be as and rule as Rome did. the shut downs have been slow and systematic. our economy has been diluted and most of the earnings are coming from phantom industries not the real physical stuff like agriculture and mass production. check the "made in" lable on you clothing and tv's and car parts...rarely will it say USA.

whoa, i could go on and on, you prolly still won't hear me.


it'll be what it is. we will never fully recover because the system is designed to fail and has been slowly moving toward failure since the seventies.



posted on Aug, 6 2002 @ 09:11 PM
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Saphronia, How can one sustain a living, or even a family, on mass production, factory jobs? Granted, we're always going to have SOME of those jobs, but is that the type of job YOU want, or that you would want for your family? It's the new economy and we have to export some of those jobs to advance our own economy. We are a service-based economy in a sense. NAFTA is working quite well for all parties. As far as made in USA - you're right. Is your banker a Chinaman? Is your Broker a Thai? Do you fly on a jet made in Sri Lanka? Can you sustain a decent living off making $2 dollars toys - or does Bangladesh need to employee many engineers? If we brought all these jobs back into our economy, like you want, what sort of jobs are there for people in China, Mexico, etc? They would be back in the stone age, which is where your economic aptitude is.
But, I would like to have lived in the 40's



posted on Aug, 7 2002 @ 06:43 PM
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ha, i like you BeeOhBee88. still, seems you are missing the point. we won't be self reliant anymore. all of our land will be developed-we will be dependant on other nations that we will control through military might (in the same situation England was in when the colonies rebelled)...what happens to US when our might runs out, or when those we now control start to really fight back--this has been done before and it failed that's my whole point. while you may find self-sustained industry ancient, it is the only way to insure our surivial. it is important that americans built america, fed america, clothed america. instead, we are moving toward a world that works for us...that invites rebellion and hatred and in the EU's case envy...a world full of enemies. how can america survive, unless we stay a nation that has industry, goods, and agriculture-a nation with an economy that can hold it's own outside of what the rest of the world is doing. that's how we got here in the first place.

i'm not itching to go backward...i'm looking forward and it's not looking too good.



posted on Aug, 7 2002 @ 08:34 PM
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so Saphronia u say we are ruling by imposeong our view and government on a country give me example. We tried it on Hati that didnt work at all. Alomost all countries in the world wont even listen to the US let alone let us rule them. Also sayin we rule by people owing us money??? Come on we have lke a 60 trillion dollar debt come on. Also we forgive m ost of the debt ppl owe us come on Saphronia wake up. We are no where near the global Pax Americana



posted on Aug, 7 2002 @ 09:15 PM
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saph, our land is far, FAR from being overdeveloped (leave your condo community or suburb and you'll see most of the US is quite rural). We have plenty-o-agriculture/goods/industry. Other than that, your comments are just way too far out there, come back to reality - stop 'self-medicating.'



posted on Aug, 7 2002 @ 10:04 PM
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Quicksilver, we don't pay our debt cause we don't have to, who's going to force us? we don't just forgive debt...we make countries turn over their industry to privatization in place of currency. these two issues i've already addressed. Try reading about what we have done in countries in Central and South America (Brazil the biggest one), and Africa.

Bob, make up your mind, either we are going toward service based industry and away from growing and producing or we aren't...either way i'm not as far off as you would like to think. me thinks you know this.

ha, i don't self-medicate. i'm not much of a drinker, just socially. and i put that herb away, asthma.



posted on Aug, 8 2002 @ 05:54 AM
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Saph, you restated, but not provide examples for us dumb folk. May quicksilver and I have examples and explanations on this privatization thingy? And, yes we do pay debts, and yes we do forgive debts without strings.



posted on Aug, 8 2002 @ 08:17 PM
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i guess we can start with Mexico, where forced privitization from the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) just turned public monoplies into private ones services deteriorated and prices skyrocketed and folk income didn't increase so many go without water and lights or just run to the US.

Hungary, one of several Eastern European countries desperately in need of investment after the collapse of the USSR, much of the economy went from state control to foreign multinationals like Electrolux, Unilever, and General Electric. Meanwhile, the new Hungarian owners and managers were often the same nomenklatura members who ran state-owned enterprises. again from public to private control--out of the hands of the state into the hands of corporations.

In Colombia, they're queued up to provide logistical support and training for police and counterinsurgency forces defending Occidental Petroleum (OXY) from indigenous resistance to its oil drilling plans. One company helped develop the plan that Congress reviewed before approving $1.3 billion in new military aid.

Despite destructive results and growing discontent that has recently produced protests and strikes against privatization from Honduras and Paraguay to Russia and South Africa.

In Paraguay privatization means a government giveaway of the state-run telephone company, drinking water agency, and railroads. Once that's accomplished, the electric utility, state oil company, and mail service are next. As in so many countries, privatization is part of an economic "adjustment" package designed to reduce a deficit-in this case, $200 million annually. The IMF and World Bank promise a $400 million credit in exchange for compliance. (this is your so called forgiving debt)

In the US questioning the trend toward privatized services defies the "Washington Consensus," (an array of market oriented principles designed by the US government and international finacial institutions *International Monetary Fund, WTO, and World Bank) and is, therefore, usually beyond the boundary of acceptable debate. The question is rarely whether, but only how much and how soon.

she's tired... if that's not enough here's the a link about Bolivia...

www.democracyctr.org...

and

www.thirdworldtraveler.com...

or read Profit over People by Noam Chomsky.



posted on Aug, 8 2002 @ 10:00 PM
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Saph also recommends other great works by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels.




posted on Aug, 9 2002 @ 12:21 AM
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Just gotta ask,

How in the hell did this topic become, lessons in economics?



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