Patriots don't secede

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

Wouldn't you like redistribution of wealth from those two families?

No, I would like those families bound and judged by the Lord Our Righteousness for their evil deeds. Karmic Justice shall prevail. The Light of God Never Fails!

But I digress, the redistribution of wealth schemes set up by socialists will never get their hands in the pockets of the real wealthy, it will only destroy the middle, upper middle, and possibly lower upper classes, but not the extreme wealthy who do not pay taxes and have their money in shelters and Swiss Bank Accounts. Barack Obama will never make Warren Buffet pay no matter how much ol Warren says "Tax me bro".

Warren knows this because Barack is his best bud.

ANd George Soros steals the 401k's and pensions of working families through the marketplace and then gives it out to his various leftist front organizations. But that is a very perverse application of Marxism.

Remember at 14 he stole from the Jewish people and gave it to the Nazis. He's very good at it.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by JuniorBeauchamp

Sorry pal but you are confusing the facist economy that we have for real free enterprise capitalism.

We do NOT have facism!

You seem to have a hard time with reading comprehension.

For the second time, I did not say we have "facism".

Do you know what a qualifier is in English grammar?

I said we have a "facist ECONOMY", cited why, which is a big difference between it and "facism".

Please do learn the difference, and what a qualifier is.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by JuniorBeauchamp

Sorry pal but you are confusing the facist economy that we have for real free enterprise capitalism.

Did you go to college and take any business courses? I certainly did. In fact they teach this stuff in accounting 101 during your freshman year.

You should ask for a refund.

(The "best part" is you are calling liberals as progressives)

Really, you should learn real history. Progressives of the early 20th century were "liberals", ie-socialist lite.

Since you are ignorant of these facts, I doubt you will ever get it.

No liberals are liberals, conservatives and conservatives and progressives are progressives.


You are confused on the terms.

Go read this book and get educated:

"On DuPont Circle: Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt and the Progressives Who Shaped Our World."

And here:

en.wikipedia.org...

The "progressives" of the early 20th century later became what are called "liberals", holding the same principles of Big Brother Federal government, deploring the constrictions on Big Brother Government in the Constitution.

According to historian William Leuchtenburg:

The Progressives believed in the Hamiltonian concept of positive government, of a national government directing the destinies of the nation at home and abroad. They had little but contempt for the strict construction of the Constitution by conservative judges, who would restrict the power of the national government to act against social evils and to extend the blessings of democracy to less favored lands. The real enemy was particularism, state rights, limited government.[4]

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by nosacrificenofreedom

I know this is what you said also but i was'nt sure whether you read it correctly! You state here that a patriot supports and follows those laws that government slates into being and I will quote "Does it mean they have to adhere to those laws even if they don't agree with them? Yes, it does. If you do not adhere to the laws that exist, you are subject to whatever punishment exists for breaking those laws."
Sometimes we have to know when a law is unjust and as such needs to be ignored and changed! If we agree to being punished, executed or terrorized by a tyrannical and oppressive government I believe we will be unable to change this! As per the up coming elimination of the right to bare arms would restrict our ability to fight a oppressive and tyrannical government! When peaceful revolution becomes impossible violent revolution becomes necessary! To agree to follow unjust laws is oppressive and this is exactly what those elected officials have become! When we are no longer able to get our candidates (the peoples) to participate in primaries or allow third parties to debate we no longer have the democratic process which we don't! If every time we reach for an objective the objective is changed then we are without ethics or justice, then something has to be done as the line to change is moved to prevent it's change then what options do we have?
You can call me a traitor for my inhibitions in following unjust laws and you can consider yourself a patriot but when you are allowing for the oppression of the masses and I am fighting against this oppression then who is the
supporter of the country and the so called patriot here?

edit on 22-1-2013 by nosacrificenofreedom because: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

There are many laws that are unjust and we do have to make choices. We can choose to not follow them and suffer the consequences or we can work within the system and adhere to them, even though we disagree with them, and at the same time, work to change them. We have to make that choice.
There are times when I'm a patriot and there are times when I'm not. The issue is, I don't declare myself to be a patriot while acting contrary to what a patriot is.
If my state had decided to secede when bush was president, I would have seceded with them. I would have been a traitor and I would own up to that. I wouldn't call myself a patriot while I was seceding. That's what I take issue with. There are people screaming about wanting to secede and in the very next breath, they are declaring themselves to be patriots. You can't be both. If I secede, I'm not a patriot. If they secede, they are not patriots. They can't seem to get that knowledge through their heads.

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX


"Traitor" is a fairly demeaning term for people who fight for their freedoms. Just saying.

Weather I like it or not doesn't matter.

Being a "traitor" to a tyrannical government doesn't entirely sound the same as being a traitor to your nation. It's not the same thing. But, this is a pretty pointless argument to pursue, so I'll leave it be now.

Just one last thing; just because people want to govern their own lives doesn't make them traitors.

If they secede, then yes, it DOES make them a traitor. If they stay and fight and work to make changes, then they are patriots. That's the way it works. It's really not that complicated. They want the title but don't want the work that goes with it.

Originally posted by JuniorBeauchamp
Corporatism thrives under a socialist state, with the state and corporations working hand in hand to keep each other in power.

Nazi Germany is a good example.

Read the book, "The Arms of Krupp".

It thrives just as much, if not more, within a capitalist state. Read about the private federal reserve....

Corporatism is the main branch of capitalism, not the main branch of socialism. Let it sink in!

Originally posted by JuniorBeauchamp

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by JuniorBeauchamp

Sorry pal but you are confusing the facist economy that we have for real free enterprise capitalism.

We do NOT have facism!

You seem to have a hard time with reading comprehension.

For the second time, I did not say we have "facism".

Do you know what a qualifier is in English grammar?

I said we have a "facist ECONOMY", cited why, which is a big difference between it and "facism".

Please do learn the difference, and what a qualifier is.

So what the effin difference is there between facism and a facist economy? None!

America does NOT have a mixed economy. You know what a mixed economy is? Look it up!

Everything is private in america, including the government itself. A corporation is a private entity, certainly not a public entity.

You are just arguing semantics to deflect. Next post please...

Originally posted by Honor93

what argument ?? i asked you a question.
one of which you STILL refuse to answer appropriately.

you started this thread, if you didn't care to discuss the issues, why did you start it ??
troll much ?

Just because you don't comprehend something, doesn't make it wrong.
If you ask an actual question, I may answer it, but stating a false premise and wanting a response to it doesn't quite cut it. It's not my fault that you don't know anything, that's your fault.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by HopSkipJump

 

They are traitors to the corporation "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, INC." but they are heros to everyone else. Why the hell would anyone want to continue down the path of certain destruction is beyond me.

Americans had their chance at the ballot box quite a bit, and each and every time they sucked up the msm propaganda and voted big party. They never gave libertarians, constitutionalists, socialists, greens, etc a chance. The media is what failed america, and the polticians come second.

If and when states start seccedding from this corporate union, the federal reserve will eventually get fully exposed for what it is, along with the IRS, INC, the big banks that hold shares in that enterprise, the scum politicians and the scum media for what they are.

Secession is probably the only resort left! I enjoy being a traitor to satan and a patriot to god. What about you?

Number 1, the United States isn't a corporation, It's a nation. The incorrect stating of something doesn't make it true.
Number 2, this isn't an issue of God and Satan.
Number 3, if I choose to secede, I would be a traitor of the United States. If I feel the need to secede, then I will be comfortable with what it makes me. I wouldn't secede then scream that I'm a patriot, they are opposing things.
There have been times and will be times again when I am not a patriot. I will not scream at the top of my voice that I am one if I am not.

Originally posted by Bildo
reply to post by HopSkipJump

 

No dear, you are twisting the twistings of the twistings of the talking heads

Why don't you look it up? Maybe then you can come up with a reasonable rebuttal. US is a corporation. It's members are controlled by statutes, which are corporation policy, not law. Go ahead, be a patriot to your corporation, and I'll be a patriot to the Republic that we used to have before the seats were vacated. Good to know we have now identified what you stand for.

Again, just because you twist something and continue to shout it, doesn't make it true.

reply to post by HopSkipJump


America is controlled by corporations because the corporations give the politicians the money needed to campaign and live lavishly in return for legislative advantages that help those corporations save money. As long as politics is made fat by money, the corporations will play a far larger role in the future of America than the civil citizens.

As long as traitors are cheap, no one cares. Let them jump ship, they'll leave more for the rest of us.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

but there is no redistribution of wealth "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs".

Yes, there IS a redistribution of wealth. Maybe you think that statement is entirely relevated to direct labor, but then what truly is the difference, since labor is the mechanism whereby a product is made?
Take two people. One has ill health and the other healthy. THe individual who is healthy works and the individual who is not does not work. Thus in the Communist way, the labor of the worker is divided "evenly" between the two and nobody starves. This is their view of equality. And that is the definition of redistribution of wealth.

It manifests in many ways.

Take the public educational system. One family has kids and one family does not, yet both have to pay the school taxes so the one family can be educate.

How fair is that? It is taking one family's income and transferring it to another. How about familiies who pay no taxes and send their kids to public school? That is true redistribution.
Now barack wants to redistribute more of our income so he can pretend he is saving the country with Nationalized healthcare.

The whole thing is a scam. Everyone gets dragged down. And who makes off with the profit? Why the Federal Reserve does.

That is why we have capitalism in america and the democrats are not socialists.

Taxing the middle class is not socialism, it is theivery! Arguing if 350k or 500k is borderline wealthy is absurd, but that is what obama and romney were doing in the last election.

Please stop comparing the liberals to prgressives or revolutionaries. They are miles apart!

OK, we have some [snip] ... issues...here and it really is pathetic and disgusting

There is more than one definition for the word "Incorporated". Some [snip] people are trying to use one definition and turn it into another.

Please, stop embracing ignorance and deny it.

Incorporated:
1: united in one body

2: formed into a legal corporation

Being united in one body in terms of government is NOT the same as a corporation.[snip]

Incorporating a city, state or country is not the same thing as incorporating a business. It is not a "Corporation" in the sense of being a company. It's incorporated in the sense of being brought together, laws formed, zones made and operationg within a budget. It's not a company that produces and sells goods.

I understand that many on here did not graduate from high school and have a very low knowledge level, but these are different concepts using a generalized term.

Originally posted by ldyserenity
reply to post by HopSkipJump

 

Patriots don't win either
Patriots VS Ravens Final Score

Sorry had to do it. Just because I'm feeling silly today.

correct, they don't secede and they didn't succeed...
two different definitions for "Patriots" though

Originally posted by HopSkipJump

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX


"Traitor" is a fairly demeaning term for people who fight for their freedoms. Just saying.

Weather I like it or not doesn't matter.

Being a "traitor" to a tyrannical government doesn't entirely sound the same as being a traitor to your nation. It's not the same thing. But, this is a pretty pointless argument to pursue, so I'll leave it be now.

Just one last thing; just because people want to govern their own lives doesn't make them traitors.

If they secede, then yes, it DOES make them a traitor. If they stay and fight and work to make changes, then they are patriots. That's the way it works. It's really not that complicated. They want the title but don't want the work that goes with it.

By burning down the media outlets? By cheating in the elections?

How can we beat the propaganda machine? This is what keeps the two party monopoly perpetually going.

You just like empty rhetoric and aggrivating folks. We get it!

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by HopSkipJump

If they secede, then yes, it DOES make them a traitor. If they stay and fight and work to make changes, then they are patriots. That's the way it works. It's really not that complicated. They want the title but don't want the work that goes with it.

By burning down the media outlets? By cheating in the elections?

How can we beat the propaganda machine? This is what keeps the two party monopoly perpetually going.

You just like empty rhetoric and aggrivating folks. We get it!

???? You don't seem to be following. Feel free to try again.

Originally posted by HopSkipJump

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by HopSkipJump

 

They are traitors to the corporation "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, INC." but they are heros to everyone else. Why the hell would anyone want to continue down the path of certain destruction is beyond me.

Americans had their chance at the ballot box quite a bit, and each and every time they sucked up the msm propaganda and voted big party. They never gave libertarians, constitutionalists, socialists, greens, etc a chance. The media is what failed america, and the polticians come second.

If and when states start seccedding from this corporate union, the federal reserve will eventually get fully exposed for what it is, along with the IRS, INC, the big banks that hold shares in that enterprise, the scum politicians and the scum media for what they are.

Secession is probably the only resort left! I enjoy being a traitor to satan and a patriot to god. What about you?

Number 1, the United States isn't a corporation, It's a nation. The incorrect stating of something doesn't make it true.
Number 2, this isn't an issue of God and Satan.
Number 3, if I choose to secede, I would be a traitor of the United States. If I feel the need to secede, then I will be comfortable with what it makes me. I wouldn't secede then scream that I'm a patriot, they are opposing things.
There have been times and will be times again when I am not a patriot. I will not scream at the top of my voice that I am one if I am not.

I provided the proof pages ago with the file number and date of incorporation.

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, INC.
Non-profit Delaware Corporation
Incorporation Date 4/19/89 File No. 2193946

www.state.de.us...

Are you now going to dispute the validity of an official source? That would be the first time that someone that has total faith in government turns around and says its invalid. I guess anything is possible though!

Man, if I was sitting on the fence over the idea of separation/secession, the last couple of pages on this thread would definitely knock me over onto the side that says DO IT. Everybody could just move to the place that does it the way they think is best and pretty soon we'll see who got it right.

That would beat the heck out of clawing each others eyes out (verbally) over definitions.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

I provided the proof pages ago with the file number and date of incorporation.

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, INC.
Non-profit Delaware Corporation
Incorporation Date 4/19/89 File No. 2193946

www.state.de.us...

Are you now going to dispute the validity of an official source? That would be the first time that someone that has total faith in government turns around and says its invalid. I guess anything is possible though!

One more time, it's NOT a corporation in the sense of a company, it's incorporated in this sense of being unified as a whole... seriously, deny ignorance. ... PLEASE deny ignorance

as far as your attempt at a website....

Originally posted by frazzle
Man, if I was sitting on the fence over the idea of separation/secession, the last couple of pages on this thread would definitely knock me over onto the side that says DO IT. Everybody could just move to the place that does it the way they think is best and pretty soon we'll see who got it right.

That would beat the heck out of clawing each others eyes out (verbally) over definitions.

I really don't care if you secede or not, but don't call yourself a patriot while doing it.