Patriots don't secede

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

Then you call democrats socialists. If that is the case then why not rename the goddamm party Socialist Party USA?

Yes, at this point the Socialist Party has completely infiltrated the Democrat Party and infected it with it's serpentine and parasitic logic. Up to 70 people in Congress have been identifed as members of the Democratic Socialists of America.

It was Allen West that claimed 78-80 members of congress were Communists.

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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

America does NOT have a mixed economy.

geeminetly, what friggin textbook did you get in college?

I noticed you just told some guy to go live in Somalia because you think he hates America. That is really an oddball response to his posts if you ask me. I happen to agree with him on much of what he says. Perhaps you are mistaking a desire to stop the Socialist takeover with some kind of hatred. That is where you are sorely mistaken.
It is time to take it back from those Socialist reformers and bring it back to the original intent of the Founders. Unlike you, I can differentiate between the True America I love and grew up with, and the abuses heaped on it by the Elite.

edit on 23-1-2013 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

You have been brainwashed to hate socialism and nothing I ever say will change your mind. For you up is down and down is up. Totally retarded logic! Elitism has EVERYTHING to do with corporatism which is part of capitalism. Sure socialism, a mixed economy has elements of corporatism, but it is MINOR compared to a capitlist system.

Unless people correctly comprehend terms there is no help in hell we can EVER attempt to have an honest debate.

Liberalism is all about A WELFARE SYSTEM attached to a capitalist system. Sure there is cronyism, but every system has cronyism attached to it. The soviets had it, america has, the brits have it, EVERYONE!

Progressive is about the redistribution of wealth from the haves to the have nots. I am not talking about 350k stuff here, I am talking about the billionares and trillionares like the vanderbilts, rockefellers, rothschilds, etc. The CAPITALIST FAMILIES that have HOARDED billions or trillions over decades or even CENTURIES! You yourself hate them and said you wish god will punish them, but how about we get some of their #ing money BACK in the meantime?? Money goes up in capitalism, that is how the system works. I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is them keeping all of it BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE FREE like you want to be free. They hate the state like you hate the state. They are above the state and do not respect the state.

Most importantly progresivism is ABOUT A MIXED-ECONOMY like they HAD in europe a few decades back. Major industry was nationalised and people worked for the state. The state was theoretically the people, but in reality private central banks(each nation had their own) were funneling money towards the big bank shareholders who also had shares in those respective private central banks. So it was bastardised socialism, not real. Still people got by for the most part except for the PIIGS nations(portugal, ireland, italy, greece, spain) who engaged in reckful spending and nearly defaulted on their loans.

I also hate zionism and the rothschilds that stand for it. Call me hitler reincarnate if you want.

Originally posted by Libertygal

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

Then you call democrats socialists. If that is the case then why not rename the goddamm party Socialist Party USA?

Yes, at this point the Socialist Party has completely infiltrated the Democrat Party and infected it with it's serpentine and parasitic logic. Up to 70 people in Congress have been identifed as members of the Democratic Socialists of America.

It was Allen West that claimed 78-80 members of congress were Communists.

articles.chicagotribune.com... la-piana

Well they must really lousy at it then because absolutely nothing I see about them is communist. They are libtards in the fullest sense. LIBTARDS!

reply to post by MrBigDave

A real patriot would be demanding that these leaders who have sold out our country are tried for treason and either imprisoned or worse. A real patriot would be willing to put everything on the line to secure the future of the country we love, and save it from tyrants that seek to destroy our freedoms. There comes a time when you have to draw a line. We cannot continue to keep getting pushed back in hopes that someday our votes will bring about the change we need. We cannot let our country die while we wait for change.

So you have two options, leave or fight (literally) to change it. To prevent horrible war and thousands of American deaths, I say lets try to leave. If they don't let us then we'll fight.

Well if demanding their arrest and imprisonment for ANYthing is the definition and duty of a real patriot, he's pretty well screwed right out of the starting gate since, constitutionally, the only ones who can arrest, try and convict those who've committed treason or any other crime is ~ themselves. That's how its written, the states and the people were not even given the right of recall to remove their own bad actors, much less the authority to put a congressman on trial for misfeasance or malfeasance of office. They are answerable only to each other. Its a recipe for disaster and one can only wonder "what were they thinking?"

I agree on the leaving part. The question is, when someone says you can't leave peacefully how is that different from being in prison?

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


The welfare system is essentially a safety net for capitalism. It ensures that no one group keeps the majority of the pie, by taking little pieces of what they have and divying it up among the people who need it for whatever reason.

A country and it's government are not necessarily the same thing.

reply to post by frazzle


Isn't that why we have the three main branches of government, to supposedly keep checks and balances on each other? You might say the judicial system itself is corrupted by the same political hacks that are in the executive and legislative branch. I am talking primarily about the federal government!

Yes I think the states should have more power and reign in on the federal beast.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

The welfare system is essentially a safety net for capitalism. It ensures that no one group keeps the majority of the pie, by taking little pieces of what they have and divying it up among the people who need it for whatever reason.

I comprehend what it is for, but it omits to a huge extent the enormously wealth international capitalists who have all kinds of loopholes at their disposal to never pay their fair share of taxes and never see their day in court for tax evasion among other criminal violations they commit.

Basically it taxes the upper middle class and now the millionares who invest in wall street and declare capital gains. The billionares and trillionares are above the law!

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

The stigma (and well deserved IMHO) against "socialism" and "communism" is why they are resorting to using euphemisms like "progressive" and "collective" to make the agenda more palatable to the average citizen.

Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

The stigma (and well deserved IMHO) against "socialism" and "communism" is why they are resorting to using euphemisms like "progressive" and "collective" to make the agenda more palatable to the average citizen.

So you expect everyone to be a conservative like you?

And anyone that is not a conservative is a communist?

I will admit that communist regimes have lots of blood on their hands, but right wing regimes based on religion, capitalism and monarchies have much more. One only needs to study history objectively to see this. Left wing politics is a relatively new ideology, whereas right wing(conservative) ideology has been the status quo for as long as history can record.

This thread had lots of ring wingers in it and a few liberals. Hardely a balanced thread, much less a balanced website. I am sure there are more left wingers but unfortunately most are the obama kool-aid type and swallow the mainstream ideas.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by frazzle

 

Isn't that why we have the three main branches of government, to supposedly keep checks and balances on each other? You might say the judicial system itself is corrupted by the same political hacks that are in the executive and legislative branch. I am talking primarily about the federal government!

Yeah, that's what they said setting up three branches would do and see how well that worked out? Its one freakin' tree. We just can't see the tree for the forest they've grown up around it.

reply to post by frazzle


I am just glad we have alex jones, david icke and jessie ventura.

These three folks are really one of the few journalists that stand out. They have their political ideologies but they do not let that cloud their vision.

Ron Paul and David Kucinich are notable politicians with integrity.

Not enough heros though and eventually everything will collapse. At least common sense hints that to me.

You are also quite mild/moderate in your replies and I appreciate that. You don't have a one-dimensional political axe to grind.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by frazzle

 

I am just glad we have alex jones, david icke and jessie ventura.

These three folks are really one of the few journalists that stand out. They have their political ideologies but they do not let that cloud their vision.

Ron Paul and David Kucinich are notable politicians with integrity.

Not enough heros though and eventually everything will collapse. At least common sense hints that to me.

You are also quite mild/moderate in your replies and I appreciate that. You don't have a one-dimensional political axe to grind.

A star for the kind words.

I just don't do political ideologies, they are megrims that skew the issues as well as our own personal understanding of what works and what doesn't and what should or shouldn't be allowed in our lives. Sure, listen to everybody and then do your own due dilligence. At least I think that's what you try to do. Me, too.

But in the end, there's just no way you can take so many different viewpoints, beliefs and cultures and jam them all together in one big gunnysack. The best you'll get is a temporary uneasy truce that can't hold forever before the fur flies. And yet we don't even have the freedom to build communities based on the viewpoints, beliefs and cultures we share. How bassakwards is that?

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


A point being with regards to the description of how the economy works, which is dead on.

Any thoughts?

reply to post by frazzle


Thanks for the star. I think all political ideologies have a reason to exist and a basis in truth but they are controlled and distorted by people with an evil agenda. We are fed so much BS on a daily basis it is natural for people to get confused and mad when someone with different opinions dares disagree. We see this everywhere.

What we also see is the duopoly continue unabated and it is either black or white for most folks. I was always a democrat because I was not even aware other parties existed, other than perhaps the libertarian party but I never dared vote for them because I don't like free trade. In fact it is probably more than apparent by now that I despise it.

There is no sense in arguing and things will take their own course.

(i am done in this thread because it is a bit too aggrivating for my health)

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

I think all political ideologies have a reason to exist and a basis in truth but they are controlled and distorted by people with an evil agenda.

Well, you just described WHY I don't ascribe to a political ideology. Not having a particular "set of beliefs" that must be adhered to, or at least tolerated to in order to fit in allows my ideals to be my own. I can't swear to it, but there probably isn't an evil agenda lurking in the nether regions of my tiny brain.

Originally posted by frazzle

Originally posted by JuniorBeauchamp

Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by JuniorBeauchamp

 

You are confusing entreprenureal free enterprise capitalism with elitist, statist crony capitalism.

Sorry friend but cronyism goes way back to 1781 with the First American Bank.

Cronyism goes back much further than that, all the way to the dawn of humanity.

Regardless, it's still confusing cronyism with genuine free enterprise capitalism, which by the way does not include any central bank.

Good point, nothing you've said disputes what I posted. I was referring to US cronyism. I understand what free enterprise is ~ it has just never existed concurrently with money changers and monopolistic bankers, so I'd guess its been about six thousand years or so.

But sooner or later this central banking empire is going to crash down around the world's ears and we'd be wise to make sure they don't get a toe hold on the other side of whatever happens next. Gotta know the methods they use in order to stop them from doing it again, and America is probably the easiest to study.

Well, the Globalist Banking Cabal has been telling us what the methods will be.

Drastic global population reduction is one.

A One World Government that is beholding to the Globalists is another.

Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

I think all political ideologies have a reason to exist and a basis in truth but they are controlled and distorted by people with an evil agenda.

Well, you just described WHY I don't ascribe to a political ideology. Not having a particular "set of beliefs" that must be adhered to, or at least tolerated to in order to fit in allows my ideals to be my own. I can't swear to it, but there probably isn't an evil agenda lurking in the nether regions of my tiny brain.

If only all people could just believe what they want to believe and stand for what they want to stand for. Too many seem to fit the "party ideology" and that is the problem. Nobody thinks for themselves these days or has thier own opinions, they let groups of people think for them.

I'm a patriot constitutionally, not blindly supporting those who attempt to overthrow it. When we speak of successions it's not from our country but from corrupt criminal elements within the federal government.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by JuniorBeauchamp

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

but there is no redistribution of wealth "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs".

Yes, there IS a redistribution of wealth. Maybe you think that statement is entirely relevated to direct labor, but then what truly is the difference, since labor is the mechanism whereby a product is made?
Take two people. One has ill health and the other healthy. THe individual who is healthy works and the individual who is not does not work. Thus in the Communist way, the labor of the worker is divided "evenly" between the two and nobody starves. This is their view of equality. And that is the definition of redistribution of wealth.

It manifests in many ways.

Take the public educational system. One family has kids and one family does not, yet both have to pay the school taxes so the one family can be educate.

How fair is that? It is taking one family's income and transferring it to another. How about familiies who pay no taxes and send their kids to public school? That is true redistribution.
Now barack wants to redistribute more of our income so he can pretend he is saving the country with Nationalized healthcare.

The whole thing is a scam. Everyone gets dragged down. And who makes off with the profit? Why the Federal Reserve does.

That is why we have capitalism in america and the democrats are not socialists.

That's funny, and ill informed.

Most all the democrats in Congress are members of the Socialist Party of Amerika.

You just make up ANY BS you want, don't you???

No,that is your modus operandi.

You even called JFK a libertarian and conservative in a previous post.

You really do have a hard time with reading comprehension, seeing things that do not exist.

Tell me little man then why was he on the democrat ticket and not on the republican ticket?

That's the thing about ignoramuses, they always resort to ad hominem to cover their incredible ignorance.

If you hate your country so much then go live in somalia.

In reality, I love my country dearly, which is exactly why I am working to set her free from the Big Brother totalitarians.

I heard they have the anarchy you are looking for with ak-47s, grenade launchers and tribal warlords.

That's another thing about ignoramuses, they can't read for comprehension, see things that do not exist, see things that are not said, and dishonestly misrepresent people as a cover for their stupendous ignorance.

You say you have a college education, but you prove that is likely a lie.

I had it with your bull#!

Don't go away mad........just go away.