Censorship of internet use when accessed by unregistered 3G phone

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posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by gangdumstyle
OP wants to be difficult, the question has been answered... You can circumvent the block by using a proxy IP adress, like they do in china and other regions where it is a problem..


Agree, albeit its HIS right not to provide said documents.







posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by Nevertheless

Originally posted by grainofsand
Hmm, if any powerful 'authority' agency wanted to find me I'm sure my chances are no better or worse than anyone else on this island. My position can certainly be triangulated fairly accurately, but there are no personal details attached to the phone which a private company can sell for marketing purposes..


Sure the triangulation works too, but the phone doesn't have to have any personal details attached to it.
I await in excited anticipation for a deeper explanation of your knowledge about geographic indentification, via unregistered mobile phones using internet under alias?



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by gangdumstyle
OP wants to be difficult, the question has been answered... You can circumvent the block by using a proxy IP adress, like they do in china and other regions where it is a problem..


Agree, albeit its HIS right not to provide said documents.




I do not provide my personal details to anyone's database wherever I am not obligated to do so.
Is that what you think is being difficult?
I think it's sensible but hey, perspectives and all that



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by grainofsand
.... and I am yet to try out a free VPN as kindly pointed out by a previous poster. ....


I use www.hideipvpn.com... as my free vpn, they a pretty decent.

You are unlikely to find a truly free VPN offer because they are abused by forum spammer and get shut down fairly quickly.



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by Kr0nZ
reply to post by grainofsand
 


Originally posted by grainofsand
.... and I am yet to try out a free VPN as kindly pointed out by a previous poster. ....


I use www.hideipvpn.com... as my free vpn, they a pretty decent.

You are unlikely to find a truly free VPN offer because they are abused by forum spammer and get shut down fairly quickly.


I havent tried that one yet.. I use this one though and its pretty good. The free version limits you to 300mb every 24 hours, which isnt bad really.
The prices for premium services arent bad either and comes in different tiers the highest being 10 euros a month.. so like 13 bucks or so? idk lol
SecurityKiss
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posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by Kr0nZ
reply to post by grainofsand
 


Originally posted by grainofsand
.... and I am yet to try out a free VPN as kindly pointed out by a previous poster. ....


I use www.hideipvpn.com... as my free vpn, they a pretty decent.

You are unlikely to find a truly free VPN offer because they are abused by forum spammer and get shut down fairly quickly.
Thanks for that, just had a look, hopefully I can get hold of one of the free account offers, if I do I shall of course share my results in this thread


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Cheers for the suggestion, will check it out.

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posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by grainofsand

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by gangdumstyle
OP wants to be difficult, the question has been answered... You can circumvent the block by using a proxy IP adress, like they do in china and other regions where it is a problem..


Agree, albeit its HIS right not to provide said documents.




I do not provide my personal details to anyone's database wherever I am not obligated to do so.
Is that what you think is being difficult?
I think it's sensible but hey, perspectives and all that


Oh no.

I believe its your RIGHT not to give out info.

Difficult is trying to force a company to change their policies. They wont, especially if its going to hurt them in any way.



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by sonnny1
Difficult is trying to force a company to change their policies. They wont, especially if its going to hurt them in any way.
Ah, yep, I agree. There has been no attempt on my part to change the company policy though for the obvious reasons, just a request for information about my options.



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by grainofsand

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by gangdumstyle
OP wants to be difficult, the question has been answered... You can circumvent the block by using a proxy IP adress, like they do in china and other regions where it is a problem..


Agree, albeit its HIS right not to provide said documents.




I do not provide my personal details to anyone's database wherever I am not obligated to do so.
Is that what you think is being difficult?
I think it's sensible but hey, perspectives and all that


Oh no.

I believe its your RIGHT not to give out info.

Difficult is trying to force a company to change their policies. They wont, especially if its going to hurt them in any way.



Exctly what I meant.. Obviously, these companies want your information for you to be able to look at porn..
Just go buy a few XXX videos if you need porn that much.. Or use a free vpn, a proxy ip service, or stop using the service it is all you can do.. Everyone understands here on ATS the over reaching intrusions brought on by internet usage..
edit on 19-1-2013 by gangdumstyle because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 04:00 PM
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Just installed and tried out SecurityKISS as you recommended, brilliant!
Cheers for the link, it bypasses all the blocks, and although it has a download limit on the free version, I shall only be using it occasionally so it's perfect for me.

Now back to the OP.
It has now been shown how easy it is to bypass the blocks by my mobile internet provider. So easy my 12 year old nephew could do it.
My question remains, why a mobile ISP will not pass authority to their store staff to make judgement on customers being over 18 (without ID) as other corporate chains do regarding dangerous age restricted products in the UK?



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by gangdumstyle

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by grainofsand

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by gangdumstyle
OP wants to be difficult, the question has been answered... You can circumvent the block by using a proxy IP adress, like they do in china and other regions where it is a problem..


Agree, albeit its HIS right not to provide said documents.




I do not provide my personal details to anyone's database wherever I am not obligated to do so.
Is that what you think is being difficult?
I think it's sensible but hey, perspectives and all that


Oh no.

I believe its your RIGHT not to give out info.

Difficult is trying to force a company to change their policies. They wont, especially if its going to hurt them in any way.



Exctly what I meant.. Obviously, these companies want your information for you to be able to look at porn..
Just go buy a few XXX videos if you need porn that.. Or use a free vpn, a proxy ip service, or stop using the service it is all you can do.. Everyone understands here on ATS the over reaching intrusions brought on by internet usage..
Your style of debate appears very dismissive. If your intention is to advise me in my life choices instead of enjoying a discussion considering the wider issue of censorship of unregistered 3G phone use, you are in no way obligated to respond in this thread.



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 04:10 PM
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ust installed and tried out SecurityKISS as you recommended, brilliant! Cheers for the link, it bypasses all the blocks, and although it has a download limit on the free version, I shall only be using it occasionally so it's perfect for me.


Glad I could help

I just upgraded mine to the emerald plan, dedicated IP etc.. 13 bucks and works great and very fast.



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 04:29 PM
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I shall probably not need to upgrade anytime soon as the free option should cover those ocassions where certain political blogs are blocked etc. The anonymous internet access I enjoy by not registering with the mobile ISP is now complete with a VPN to get around their censorship.
Think I'll call that a 1-0 win to me this time, nice one!



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 05:43 PM
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connect through a proxy or through TOR so that they can't block you because they can't see where you are actually going.



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by dc4lifeskater
connect through a proxy or through TOR so that they can't block you because they can't see where you are actually going.
Got a useful VPN link from Juggernog thanks, works great, and makes a mockery of the mobile ISP wanting to control my internet access because I won't let them copy my passport and driver licence



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 06:57 PM
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try accessing the blocked sites by IP address instead of the DNS name.



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
try accessing the blocked sites by IP address instead of the DNS name.

I've found a workaround through a VPN but still have personal issues with the mobile ISP insisting on photo ID to provide an uncensored service such as a copy of driver licence and passport - No other age restricted product or service in the UK requires it if you present yourself at the store and clearly look old enough - I remain convinced that their reasons are more questionable than simple 'protection of our children'



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 08:13 PM
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Dont tell them who you are!!! They are using this to try to force you into telling them.

I'm on a non registered pay as you go too.

If a crime is suspected those that need to know will find you via location records from your isp, they can pinpoint your location to within a meter or two. Theres no need for your isp to demand your ID.



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by VoidHawk
Dont tell them who you are!!! They are using this to try to force you into telling them.
That is my suspicion as well, personal details are certainly valuable to business.


I'm on a non registered pay as you go too.
It does offer some satisfaction that the mobile company doesn't have any personal details, if only to prevent any stupid junk mail coming through the letterbox.


If a crime is suspected those that need to know will find you via location records from your isp, they can pinpoint your location to within a meter or two. Theres no need for your isp to demand your ID.

As I commit no online crime I'm satisfied that there is no need for any 'authorities' to pinpoint my location, that said, it also shows there is no 'need' for the ISP to know who I am.

On a related point, I've noticed a few posters in this thread exhibit a very relaxed attitude to providing their ID to any business that asks for it. I was chatting to a friend earlier and he told me that while on business in Arizona he was surprised to find that every store required ID to purchase alcohol, even from members of his group who were clearly in their 60's.
The conversation developed and we considered the seemingly less authoritarian attitude in the UK with the 'clearly over 25' policy adopted by companies selling age restricted items. This means the store worker makes the decision at the point of sale negating the need to produce ID.

I would be very interested to hear from US posters if this is indeed the case?
Has the populace been conditioned such that they will unquestionably hand over their ID to prove age, even when the request is clearly unnecessary?
Is it a legal obligation, and if so when did the 'land of the free' capitulate and agree to such authoritarian government?.



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 02:59 PM
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Nearly three hours since you'r question and still no response

Me thinks you have touched a nerve sir.





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