Originally posted by ANOK
reply to post by hmmmbeer
The fact that anarchists are socialist proves by logic that socialism is an economic system, and requires no state.
Why else would anarchists be socialists? My question, 'how can anarchists be socialists', should make people question what they've been told, but the conditioning is so strong they will not answer the question directly.
Originally posted by ANOK
Oh yeah sorry, no free beer.
Originally posted by hmmmbeer
"The fact that anarchists are socialist" - how do you call this fact? I have never been told this. The other major aspect of socialism is 'the economy' is not #1 - basic humanity is #1, and decisions are made based on human/life requirements, not money/profit.
Socialism is divided into three main trends : reformism, anarchism and Marxism....
Here we present a short summary of why individualist anarchism implies socialism and not capitalism. While it is true that people like Tucker and Warren placed "property" at the heart of their vision of anarchy, this does not make them supporters of capitalism. Unlike capitalists, the individualist anarchists identified "property" with simple "possession," or "occupancy and use" and considered profit, rent and interest as exploitation....
...Anarchism has always been associated with the left, with socialism...
Socialism is the idea that every laborer should be the possessor and manager of the tools that they work with. ...
Originally posted by Maslo
Socialism is usualy defined as common ownership of the means of production (factories, resources..). It is an economic system, so Id say it is theoretically compatible with both anarchy and statism. Many (all?) communists consider socialism a transitional phase towards communism, a stateless and classless utopia.
Marx and Engels used the terms Communism and Socialism to mean precisely the same thing. They used “Communism” in the early years up to about 1875, and after that date mainly used the term “Socialism.” There was a reason for this. In the early days, about 1847-1850, Marx and Engels chose the name “Communism” in order to distinguish their ideas from Utopian, reactionary or disreputable movements then in existence, which called themselves “Socialist.” Later on, when these movements disappeared or went into obscurity, and when, from 1870 onwards, parties were being formed in many countries under the name Social-Democratic Party or Socialist Party, Marx and Engels reverted to the words Socialist and Socialism...
Originally posted by zonetripper2065
And socialism is a step to communism.
Originally posted by lucifer6
socialism is when a goverment has the ability to own everything you have... and guess what.... they do. if you ask how i will tell you
Originally posted by mangust69
socialism only for israel.other bombing,change gov, hunger blockade sanctions sabotage.
Originally posted by Kadmiel
I just came for the beer not the message
Originally posted by YouSir
Ummm.....What exactly is the point of this thread anyways?
Another question, who gives a rats ass?
The reason for these questions..........There is no such thing beyond the conceptualizing. When has a Socialist, Anarchic, Marxist, or Communist society...moved beyond the transitional phase and left governmental structure behind on the ashheap?................NEVER...