posted on Jan, 15 2013 @ 07:48 PM
Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by AceWombat04
They will still have the benefit whether they are aware or not. If they do not have awareness that comes with the benefit of no suffering.
But in order to be an application of a philosophy, do they not have to be aware of it? If not, then the application is by those outside their
consciousness looking in, observing benefits of which they can never be aware or able to appreciate.
Even if a person cannot fathom the philosophical application of seeing the benefits of all situations, they will still try to keep themselves
happy which means that the potential is there, or if not they will still have SOME happy moments as they try to keep themselves happy.
But what if those few happy moments are so few and far between, that they are dominated by suffering to the extent that for all practical intents and
purposes - i.e. in the context of what their mind actually subjectively experiences irrespective of their will or intent - they are rendered moot?
If they suicide it was because they couldn't see any other way to end the suffering. Their life is done and they will not have the pain of life
(since they are dead - which is still a benefit I guess), and others still here can learn from this person's experience. That there are other ways
Another thing is, when a person is close to death, it helps them to see the contrast between life and death and brings the potential to seeing the
value of this life, such as a person who attempted suicide but decides to live and not do it again.
What if their impaired judgment prevents the choice to not take their life? Many people who take their lives are not thinking clearly at the time.
This goes back to what I said above, where the benefit to others is an external application of the philosophy by others looking in, not to the person
subjectively going through the experience.
There is one benefit in EVERY situation no matter how horrible it is, what is it? The potential of changing it. If it is happening, there is a
potential for it to stop happening.
This I have to disagree with you on slightly, personally. There are situations in my experience that we have no power over and cannot change. They
just happen and there is nothing we can do to control or avoid them. And sometimes they happen too fast for us to rationally objectify the situation
enough to view it in a philosophical light. I wish it was possible to change everything, or at least to view it in a positive, constructive light. But
there are times when, despite our wishes and efforts to the contrary, this is simply not possible.
I will agree with you at least however that everything can be learned
from. If not by us, then at least by others (because I don't believe it's
possible for the individual experiencing the event to successfully or effectively learn from it in 100% of cases, necessarily.) But
regardless, I still think this is an excellent philosophy through which to view life, when and if we can. I'm just playing the skeptical role in the
topic, because I think someone should. I don't actually disagree with the philosophy in principle or intent.
edit on 1/15/2013 by AceWombat04 because: Typos