posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 11:19 PM
Sorry I've been away, but sometimes the outside world puts demands on you, know what I mean? I've skimmed over the last several pages to get a
sense of where we're going. I'd appreciate being corrected, but it doesn't look good.
There are a couple of things that have been asked for, but I don't see a response. All cases that are appealed past the trial court have a written
record. Does anyone have a link to any case where the positions taken in this thread have been upheld? I ask because there have been dozens of cases
at the District and Circuit level which have rejected the arguments.
Second, is there any court or federal document saying that the US government has declared bankruptcy? I have found none.
I have heard people discuss statements by "congressman" Traficant allegedly made back in 1993 where he stated in the Congressional Record that
the US was bankrupt and this bankruptcy happened back in 1933. This statement has been used to support UCC arguments about the bankruptcy of the
Frank F. checked the accuracy of this alleged Traficant statement and found it to be utterly false. Here is what he said in a recent e-mail:
This is 99% bogus.
You'll notice that it claims to be from the Congressional Record of March 17, 1993, page H-1303, and a speech from Rep. James Traficant (D-Oh). It
starts with a double quote mark and it ends much later with another double quote mark.
Except for the first paragraph (the first 66 words), it is a fake.
Traficant's own words run from "Mr. Speaker ...." to " ... our demise" and that's the only portion from him or from the Congressional Record.
Trafficant was arguing against deficit spending, and everything else in the article (starting from the words "It is an established fact ...") is
fake. Traficant never said them.
In fact, if Traficant thought that the Banking Emergency Act of 1933 was Public Law 89-719, we'd all have reason to doubt his soundness of mind,
because the Public Law number is clearly decades after 1933 -- in fact it is the number of the Federal Tax Lien Act of 1966. Ditto for the pretended
title and description of HJR 192 (of 1933). All of that, including the references to canon law and maritime insurance, is fakery, falsely attributed
Third, has anyone come up with the underlying agreement in which the US has promised to pay umptyleben gazillion as indicated in the OP? Anyone can
file a UCC-1 for any reson at any time. It does not create an obligation where none previously existed.
And here's an interesting case: Young v. IRS, 596 F.Supp. 141, 147 (N.D. Ind. 1984). Young argues that the tax laws don't apply to him because he
is a sovereign citizen, the IRS wasn't created by positive law, and a number of other silly things. The District Court ruled against him and
additionally fined him $1000 for, basically, aggravated loopiness and messin' with the Court.
Consistent with that discretion, this court recognizes that the Internal Revenue Code is positive law applicable to disputes concerning whether
taxes are owed by someone like the plaintiff. This court refuses to embrace the plaintiff's position that the tax laws of the United States are some
kind of hoax designed by the IRS to violate the constitutional rights of United States citizens. Quite simply, the court finds plaintiff's position
And concerning the penalties?
The doors of this courthouse are, of course, open to good faith appeals of what are honestly
thought to be errors of the lower courts. But we can no longer tolerate abuse of the judicial review process by irresponsible taxpayers who press
stale and frivolous arguments, without hope of success on the merits, in order to delay or harass the collection of public revenues or for other
nonworthy purposes ... abusers of the tax system have no license to make irresponsible demands on the courts of appeals to consider fanciful arguments
put forward in bad faith. In the future we will deal harshly with frivolous tax appeals and will not hesistate to impose even greater sanctions under
I noticed one comment by a poster when looking around. He said something like: I don't have time to research through a bunch of books and write up
my own forms. Sell me a program that will get me out of my tax liability, eliminate my need for a driver's license, get out of debt, etc., etc, with
a written guarantee and a performance bond, and I'll buy it for $20,000 right now. Does anyone know of such a package? I don't believe it exists.
So, I guess we're still looking for some evidence.