In light of the popularity of this idea, I have to also put in my two cents. I wasn't thrilled with the Orwellian imagery of
, and I don't care for this idea whatsoever.
Originally posted by thudpuddy
A long time ago when I was still in school I clearly remember that many of the best teachers were WW II vets and retired military .
Back before schools became liberal indoctrination centers they were very good about hiring veterans .
Such teachers seemed to have no problem at all getting your attention and holding it.
I also think students with discipline problems wouldn't be as much trouble if their teachers used to be U.S. Marine drill instructors .
And it would be easier to train these people up a little more and let them keep their side arms , adding a pretty decent layer of security to the
schools . Know that I'm talking about people who were in for a while and have track records of mental stability .
(I took out lines from your quote for space. Ones I didn't feel needed addressing.)
The reason you had those vets was the GI Bill. While many most likely were excellent teachers, it was most likely incidental to and independent from
their service. I imagine war stories would and could be teachable moments, when appropriate.
The reason you are seeing less vets these days has been the lack of such financial support in recent generations. I don't particularly have anything
against discipline, but I wonder where the intersection of civilian public school and military style corporal punishment finds its happy medium. I
worry about PTSD, loaded fire arms, and cocky teenagers, on the one hand. on the other, I can foresee former guardians of the empire indoctrinating
young wet-sponge minds with revisionist theories.
It gives me Goebbelesque goosebumps and conjures up images of the movie "Starship Troopers".
My main reason for chiming in with my opinion is that I am a teacher. And as educator, it also gives me a case of déjà vu...you mention your
experience as a student in this idyllic, postbellum America with vets for teachers, prior to all the liberal nonsense. You're half right....the
liberal nonsense never fixed the enherant problems in the system from your day, they were a poorly placed bandaid. The post-WWII, conservative,
Skinner-types had it mostly wrong. They thought it was all rote memorization of material and learning through formation of good behaviors.
The hippies came along with their outdoor semi-Socratic circle jerks and multiculturalism for multiculturalism's sake...factoids highlighting
abstractions in diversity.
Now we have NCLB and Vouchers that are pure garbage and have defined education in the 2000s and 2010s. It's teach to the test, but now the test is a
standardized Frankenstein, focusing on the post-WWII era rote learning and including a few mystical Native American tales for reading comprehension.
It's a half-assed hack-job of a repair and throwing war-hardened military into the mix haphazardly will not help it get better.
Originally posted by pointr97
I have to politely disagree, every serviceman is trained as a teacher, we spend just as much time teaching as learning. At all levels, soldiers are
constantly training and teaching, we learn the role to our right, left and above in case tomorrow they are not there....and train the lower level in
case tomorrow we are not there.
I'm actually inclined to agree with you....to some extent.
It is true that the best way to really learn something is by teaching it to someone else. However, everything in the military is itemized, centralized
and flow-charted. While I think Vets have learned a certain style of teaching in the military, overall it would require the breaking down of complex,
interdisciplinary materials into simple, grocery list style memorization techniques. Great for, say, learning the state capitals, or times tables, or
the periodic table.
......but, then what? I mean, in the military there is a hierarchy, whereby the enlisted men and women are drilled, day in and day out on the
effective completion of disparate sets of tasks to their expected standards without deviation, debate, analysis or question whatsoever. Once you learn
to take apart, clean, and put your gun back together again, what's next?
It doesn't matter....someone will always be telling you what's next (i.e., what to do with the gun). learning the years of statehood in order by
heart is fine, but you won't be able to memorize a critical analysis of the Monroe Doctrine (And in this case, I can already picture how that one
would be memorized in a classroom run by an unflinching robot of empire).
I'm not doubting your earnest belief in the power of vets to take on the role of teacher, but it should be for those who come to the position out of
ability, merit and fulfillment....not based on an entrenched view of learning through re