FBI counter-terrorism agents monitored Occupy

FBI counter-terrorism agents monitored Occupy

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WASHINGTON — The Federal Bureau of Investigation used counterterrorism agents to investigate the Occupy Wall Street movement, including its communications and planning, according to newly disclosed agency records.

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I've read that from a Chinese source just now and found the English ones. I don't think that's surprising at all, but it should serve as a reminder for Americans that your government is watching you. In fact, the Chinese article jokingly uses the word 維穩, 'maintaining stability', to describe the FBI's actions. 維穩 is something that the Chinese government does to maintain social stability (e.g. through stopping protests) and has pretty negative connotations nowadays

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If I was the US government, I would also ask the FBI to monitor communication among Occupy promoters.

Just like they were used to monitor the Tea Party

www.infowars.com...

Or just like they did with Muslim organizations in America...

www.au.org...

Just like they monitor everything... that is a potential medium for terrorists or organize...

FBI to monitor Facebook, Twitter, Myspace

www.zdnet.com...

Yup, they did it, and will continue to do it....

Did the FBI use any of this information and illegally kidnap and interrogate any of these people.... no.

reply to post by diqiushiwojia


Why would they be doing this? To get more of the people who are organizing the movement to come play on the 1% side with Alex Jones.

OWS, the Occupy Movement in general solved NOTHING. The top 1% didn't change the speed at which they're fleecing this country. None of them are afraid that the public will ever hold them accountable. Those top 1% guys sit around puffing on phallic looking cigars and laughing at the fact that you can get that many, reasonably pissed off people and you make them keep it civil.

"Everybody got your signs? Ok good, just remember, if an officer puts his hands on you DO NOT RESIST, and lets have fun!" Thats EXACTLY the type of crowd control the top 1%, who keep the FBI in they're pockets, want to see being imposed on the movement. They're just checking to see who is who, maybe send em' something nice for Xmas.

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If counterintel blackbagged someone, why would you hear about it?

The funniest thing for me was seeing known anti second amendment and anti-gun protestors at anti-establishment, anti-big corporations and anti-government OWS rallies. Perhaps once the brainwashed sheep who trust that their government knows best and won't kill or hurt them learn that they are being targeted by the same rogue government they trust, might reconsider their stance regarding the rights of American citizens to bear arms as guaranteed by the Second Amendment in the United States Constitution.

Throwing sticks, rocks and bottles at police dressed in full blown riot gear who are firing rubber batons and rubber bullets at the heads of protestors is completely futile; especially once the Police/FBI/UN/etc are ordered to chamber brass and lead instead of rubber.

Think about it.

FBI is scared!!! They have to monitor everyone because they themselves are corrupt, working for a corrupt system, and they also need to be put in check by another system that monitors them, like the CIA.

That's why we live in a Republic. The feds are supposed to be tempered by Congress, then congress, b the states, states, by the counties, and the counties by the people.

Checks and balances.

I don't see the FBI in check by any branches, when they should be.

They're all scared because there will come a time when the people rise up and replace the corrupt system with something new, Spiritual based, Socrate's Philosopher Kings type of Gov

That's why I went to my local event dressed like some Redneck, with a beard and sunglasses.

I went as a completely fake persona so that my real identity was safe.

Why wouldn't they monitor something like that if their job is to protect the country?

One of the articles the OP used as a source says things like "Federal law enforcement and Homeland Security officials under the Obama administration viewed the grassroots Occupy Wall Street movement as a possible terrorism and criminal threat, according to the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF).

Then it says

"In one memo, an FBI agent expressed concern that the Occupy movementcould become “an outlet for a lone offender exploiting the movement for reasons associated with general government dissatisfaction.”

It's really not hard to imagine a lone wolf type scenario where someone with a different agenda then the peaceful Occupy movement uses the crowds and chaos as a way to push their own political agenda. If someone would have exploited Occupy in such a manner people would have been crying because security was not enough.

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Well, I don't know but employing counter-terrorism agents for such a possibility sounds like overkill. Also, don't forget the DSAC. They don't have to disclose info to the private sector to make sure there the protests remain peaceful, do they?

Originally posted by diqiushiwojia
reply to post by opethPA

 

Well, I don't know but employing counter-terrorism agents for such a possibility sounds like overkill. Also, don't forget the DSAC.

They don't have to disclose info to the private sector to make sure there the protests remain peaceful, do they?

When you see the reasons given it doesn't.

Security through obscurity is never a valid approach. Just because something is supposed to be a way is not a valid reason to think its going to be that way.. It would have been fairly easy for someone with bad intentions to use the good intentions of most of Occupy to do something dumb

Originally posted by MESSAGEFROMTHESTARS
If I was the US government, I would also ask the FBI to monitor communication among Occupy promoters.


Just like they monitor everything... that is a potential medium for terrorists or organize...

I don't particularly trust the US government but I generally agree with this. Just because they monitor something doesn't necessarily prove anything. Even though they may not be entirely honest about their motives, they'd be negligent if they allowed something that massive to go on without at least observing.

It's probably a good thing that they do monitor a lot of what goes on. At least in the public domain. It's when they start monitoring phone calls and emails for no reason and without a warrant that things get creepy, IMO.

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I see nothing wrong with the US government monitoring them, but I think what they did was over the top.

-They started spying in August 2011, when the protestors hadn't even put up their tents yet. It would have taken a lot of imagination at the time to expect that it would turn into a nation- and world-wide movement, let alone a potential terrorism threat.
-They were infiltrating the movement with their counter-terrorism agents and were under instructions not to reveal the scoop to anyone (public or media) but the big businesses. It is beyond me why they need share this classified info with large firms in order to prevent terrorist attacks. I think this shows collusion between the FBI and those businesses.

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You don't think the FBI should share threat data with the potential targets of the threat? What should they do with it, then?

Do any of you people know who was behind the OWS and TEA PARTY movement?
The Koch brothers were behind the TEA PARTY!
The Organized left along with the SEIU was behind the Occupy Wall Street movement! This one was created mostly by the liberal media, unions and anonymous who ended up having union workers who were being paid to organize the protests! anarchist, college kids and tons of other ignorant people that have no clue what they are doing there were being used as pawns!

Many of the people at the Tea Party movement were paid to be there through Freedom works, PAC and other groups!

Both of these movements are being used to continue to divide the country further! I have been fooled with many of you and other people! All the videos on You tube used to demonize the NYPD who were just doing their jobs!
We need to stop supporting the left and the right and meet in the middle in peace and unity! These people are trying to create a violent atmosphere! Violence does not solve anything unless it is used to totally eliminate their enemy! The left and right are only about keeping their guy in power! The People can't have power if they are working against their own best interest! So we have communists and socialists with the left working against the banks, corporations and capitalism! Then we have the 1% the banks, Koch brothers and other capitalist trying to get the tea party in and eradicate the social safety net, lower taxes for the rich and raise them for everyone else! What is happening to America? is it any wonder why the Feds are keeping an eye on the OWS movement!
I am sorry I was off topic but it was more important to tell the whole story! God help us if we don't wake up America and take back America for Americans and not for those seeking to make money off of a crisis or those manipulating the system!

Nothing to see there, seriously. That's par for the course for the FBI. Even though Occupy was a peaceful movement, there's always the chance that somebody could bring a gun or bomb to the protest. So, there's a pretty good chance that they were monitoring the Occupy movement to try and prevent that from happening. They Shoulda been monitoring the police.

Originally posted by FurvusRexCaeli
reply to post by diqiushiwojia

 

You don't think the FBI should share threat data with the potential targets of the threat? What should they do with it, then?

Well, if it's a potential threat like shutting down a port, then sure, they can and should share it with them. However, when there's just going to be a bunch of annoying protesters waving signs, there seems to be no necessity to.

Here's a link to the documents if anyone wants to take a peek. I found it on Google and it's not on the official site of the PCJF but another organisation called the ACLU, so I don't have ACLUE (a clue, get it? ) whether it was legally put there. If not, I ask that the mods remove it.

Originally posted by nosacrificenofreedom
We need to stop supporting the left and the right and meet in the middle in peace and unity! These people are trying to create a violent atmosphere! Violence does not solve anything unless it is used to totally eliminate their enemy! The left and right are only about keeping their guy in power! The People can't have power if they are working against their own best interest! So we have communists and socialists with the left working against the banks, corporations and capitalism! Then we have the 1% the banks, Koch brothers and other capitalist trying to get the tea party in and eradicate the social safety net, lower taxes for the rich and raise them for everyone else! What is happening to America? is it any wonder why the Feds are keeping an eye on the OWS movement!

You may be right about OWS vs FBI being a struggle between the US left and right for power; I've never looked into the movement from that perspective, so it's interesting. However, just because you despise the 'established' left and right and the ways they're trying to divide the country doesn't mean people cannot continue to hold peaceful, non-radical views about politics. If everyone had the same opinion, there would be no variety, no spice of life. Where I live, there are people (from the 'League of Social Democrats' and 'People Power' 'political parties') who self-identify as leftists but hate the Chinese Communist Party even more than they hate rightists. It's the rule of the party they are against, not the party's ideology. (These people may have turned into radicals themselves but I'm just trying to say that you don't have to give up your political standpoint to maintain peace and stability.)

I don't see how the Occupy movement is a terrorist organization. It seems to me that the government conveniently labels anybody who peacefully disagrees with its immoral practices as a terrorist.

The government is one big joke. It doesn't care about people and the liberties it proclaims to defend is just one sick publicity stunt to keep the same corrupt dynasties in power.

If you would follow their logic, this guy is also a terrorist:

Originally posted by WhereIsTheBatman
I don't see how the Occupy movement is a terrorist organization. It seems to me that the government conveniently labels anybody who peacefully disagrees with its immoral practices as a terrorist.

While Occupy is not a terrorist organization you can't be naive enough to think that people in the world wouldn't or couldn't use that as a distraction/front/false flag to have done something else.

If anything the Feds would have been wrong to not investigate and assume the worse was going to happen.