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Originally posted by Sandalphon
If they have never been taught to think for a test how can you measure their fast or slowness? Maybe english is a second language, maybe they're Mayans from another time line and zero is not a part of their math system, maybe they don't know French or music or the-way-the-westerners-do-it.
Originally posted by IEtherianSoul9
LINK - IQ a Myth, Study Says
Can a moderator PLEASE move this to the 'Science and Technology' section...no clue how it ended up in the Fragile Earth section.
“When we looked at the data, the bottom line is the whole concept of IQ — or of you having a higher IQ than me — is a myth,” said Dr. Adrian Owen
“If there is something in the brain that is IQ, we should be able to find it by scanning. But it turns out there is no one area in the brain that accounts for people’s so-called IQ. In fact, there are three completely different networks that respond — verbal abilities, reasoning abilities and short-term memory abilities — that are in quite different parts of the brain,” Owen said.
IQ tests do not properly determine an individual's level of intelligence. The reification of intellectual acuity into a scalable number so easily defined by IQ tests is inaccurate; it's much more complex than that.
These recent results are in line with late pundit Stephen Jay Gould's views on biological determinism and intelligence testing. In his book the The Mismeasure of Man he provided a critical review of the reasoning behind the Bell Curve and IQ testing (notably the g factor).
The two fallacies that are present concerning the principles of IQ testing are: reification and hereditarianism. The hereditarianism fallacy claims that intellect can be passed on, through genes, to the progeny of a person. The degree to which it is heritable is clearly been exaggerated by the most avid hereditarians (Gould, 1996). The first fallacy doesn’t take into account environmental effects, which can greatly outweigh any genetic effects passed on from parent to child. It doesn’t allow for opportunities for improvement of intellectual capabilities through proper education. The second fallacy is the misassumption that if hereditary explains a certain percentage of variation among individuals within a group; it must also explain a similar percentage of the difference in average IQ between groups (Gould, 1996).
In conclusion the study determined that three factors - reasoning, short-term memory and verbal ability - form one's "cognitive profile" and that unlike a trait like height which can be measured almost precisely, intellect is not a single, scalable, immutable number, so easily defined by IQ tests.
Originally posted by VekTorVik
reply to post by L8RT8RZ
I am not disagreeing with your statements on IQ, I just feel that your stance on mediocrity could use some reconsideration. What a better way to live but stuck in the deep rut of mediocrity.
"The uptake was astonishing," says Owen, the Canada Excellence Research Chair in Cognitive Neuroscience and Imaging and senior investigator on the project. "We expected a few hundred responses, but thousands and thousands of people took part, including people of all ages, cultures and creeds from every corner of the world." The results showed that when a wide range of cognitive abilities are explored, the observed variations in performance can only be explained with at least three distinct components: short-term memory, reasoning and a verbal component. No one component, or IQ, explained everything. Furthermore, the scientists used a brain scanning technique known as functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI), to show that these differences in cognitive ability map onto distinct circuits in the brain. Read more at: medicalxpress.com...
Originally posted by VekTorVik
I am really suprised no one has posted a link to this yet...
Brain Challenge
It was linked in a PhysOrg article on this very subject. Go ahead. Take the test. Measure your penis.
"The uptake was astonishing," says Owen, the Canada Excellence Research Chair in Cognitive Neuroscience and Imaging and senior investigator on the project. "We expected a few hundred responses, but thousands and thousands of people took part, including people of all ages, cultures and creeds from every corner of the world." The results showed that when a wide range of cognitive abilities are explored, the observed variations in performance can only be explained with at least three distinct components: short-term memory, reasoning and a verbal component. No one component, or IQ, explained everything. Furthermore, the scientists used a brain scanning technique known as functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI), to show that these differences in cognitive ability map onto distinct circuits in the brain. Read more at: medicalxpress.com...
PhysOrg
It is funny to read posters here describe the "Nutty Professor" stereotypes and associate that with a higher IQ. I don't know why everyone is all worked up over this issue. There are people defending IQ scores and those dismissing them, when in reality all of our IQ just dropped ten points when we added to this discussion.
This is false.
Originally posted by L8RT8RZ
I always find it amusing that people with no concept of what "IQ" is often try to debunk it, then suggest it actually measure what it really does measure, it's just that since they have no concept of it, they imagine it to be something else.
What exactly do you think IQ tests measure? They measure various factors of reasoning, short-term memory and verbal ability, not "general knowledge".
All these stupid "internet IQ tests" measure little factoids instead of actual intelligence, then people go off on tangents about what their IQ is (according to the inaccurate internet tests) and they'll rant and rave, brag or strike out, all based on what they have been led to believe IQ is. Well, you're wrong, that's not what it is.
I would hazard to guess that 90% of society has never had an actual IQ test, yet they go on and on and on about them, claim they have just because they clicked an internet popup, or they outright lie about it. Until you've had an actual test given by a licensced psychologist, you have no idea where you fall nor do you have any idea what your IQ is.
Actual, scientific tests are accurate in measuring intellectual ability, it's just that most of the people that prattle on and on have never had one. Oh, they think they have or they lie that they have, but they haven't. I know it's true, I've participated in actual research, not "thought experiments" where people just "think about it" and look for matching opinion articles on the internet, then write their own and attribute actual studies incorrectly without ever having actually read the study, let alone processed it.
People are against IQ because 95% of the people don't fall in the "high IQ" group. They are offended by that, they are threatened by that and they feel they have to fight back. 68% of the population falls in the middle. That's between 85 and 115, that's "average" whether you like it or not. Going up the scale, 14% fall between 115 and 130, that's where 90% of the population CLAIMS to be, but where they are not. another 2.1% are higher than 130. Only 2.1%. It's the same for the other end of the scale. About 14% fall between 70 and 85, and 2.1% are below 70.
Stop clicking on the internet tests, see a professional and have your actual score calculated if you are interested in knowing what it is. Also, stop trying to "debunk" something without actually knowing what it really is. The people who DO know what it is can see through the feeble attempts and it looks ridiculous.
Yeah I have a friend that literally tells me to my face he hates me because i'm smart. lel... and he's serious in his animosity towards me, and if I used the word animosity he would say I'm being a snob for using such a big word. lel IQ of 123 here.
Originally posted by L8RT8RZ
It's funny how everyone with a low IQ is always quick to want to discredit IQ. Yet, these same people, who also have no money are so quick to defend the "billionaire". That's because there's always that chance of winning the lottery and becoming a billionaire, but they never, EVER have a chance of having a higher IQ than what they have.
People always hate things of status if they have no opportunity, in any way, of ever achieving that status, so, they attack it. It's outright jealousy and childishness.
There are people in this world who are smarter than you. They will always be smarter than you. You cannot achieve what comes naturally to them and you are jealous. Too bad. You can rant and rave as much as you want, but they will continue to be smarter than you no matter how loudly you shout and scream.
IQ tests, the professional IQ tests, not the internet ones, are accurate and they do measure a person's intelligence. Intelligence does not equal trivial knowledge, it's much, much more than that and it is measurable. You may not like it, but that doesn't change the fact.
First, the actual results of the study aren't what you are reading here, you are reading an opinion article that uses the study as a source, not the study itself. It has been twisted and manipulated by another who is jealous of IQ rankings because he didn't end up as high as he would like. Granted, he's smarter than you (the people ranting and raving who are against IQ tests) because he was able to manipulate you. Of course, that's not really saying much.
Let's say for a moment that you are an excellent arc welder. You have worked long and hard at it and you are very, very good at your job. Now let's say they bring some guy in off the street who is the nephew of the boss and they make him an arc welder. They start bragging on him and go on and on about "well, anyone can be an arc welder, people just say that it takes years of work and practice, but anybody can do it just as well as anyone else". That will offend you because you ARE a good arc welder and the new kid absolutely stinks at it. Half his welds fall apart, this will cause failure to the articles you are building, the articles that people know you build and expect quality because of your ability as a welder. They end up with the products the new kid welded and they fall apart. Oh, but he's a great welder because practice and skill have nothing to do with it, he's the boss's nephew, so he's a great welder. It must have been somebody eles's fault down the line.
This is the exact same thing many of you are griping about with the IQ scores. Those people have been tested, by professionals, and the test was accurate. They have a very high IQ and are deserving of recognition just as the great arc welder is deserving of recognition. They are smarter than you, they are more intelligent than you, they deserve to enjoy that status whether it hurts your feelings or not. Emotions of the lower levels doesn't negate the higher levels. You can't take it from them because you aren't capable of taking it from them. They win and they deserve it, whether you like it or not.
For a place that's supposed to "Deny Ignorance" some of you do a very poor job of it. You seem to embrace it more than deny it. Denying ignorance does not mean that you deny that you are ignorant when you are, it means you don't let the ignorance have power over you. Or at least that's the impression I got from it, maybe it is the other way around. The majority here sure does make it seem that way.
edit on 23-12-2012 by L8RT8RZ because: (no reason given)