Chemtrail over Melbourne Australia 21/12/2012 11 am

reply to post by nothingwrong


I don't know know why you think I am saying you are stupid. Are the guys in the photo stupid? Of course I've seen trails passing above or below other trails or clouds. But that's not the point. How high is the fricking cloud you are comparing to? How could you possibly know by looking at it?

Those idiots in the observer corps eh, measuring the altitudes of German bombers when they could have just looked at whether they were above or below clouds. Now that would be stupid.

Originally posted by waynos
reply to post by nothingwrong

 

I don't know know why you think I am saying you are stupid. Are the guys in the photo stupid? Of course I've seen trails passing above or below other trails or clouds. But that's not the point. How high is the fricking cloud you are comparing to? How could you possibly know by looking at it?

Because I paid attention at school and I know what types of clouds form at which altitudes. So if you agree we can see that the trail goes in front of this cloud but behind that one, and we know the types of clouds we are looking at, and therefore the heights they form at, we can estimate a height quite accurately.

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reply to post by nothingwrong


How can you tell that something that is white is in font or behind something that is white?

Binocular vision is effective to about 20 feet IIRC - beyond that you are guessing.

People who do this for a living do note make claims like yours - the look at things such as shadows to get a triangulation - such as here

Your confidence in your eyesight is, sadly, typical of the whole chemtrail hoax - with people desperately looking for something with which to contradict actual science, and resorting to "I saw it so it is true".

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by nothingwrong

 

How can you tell that something that is white is in font or behind something that is white?

I think I will stop at this point as you have departed into the realms of non-sense. When did you ever see a cloud that was just white? No shade, no shadow, no texture? That was a ridiculous thing to have said! Go outside and look at a cloud!

www.google.com.au... 0.1.1.0.215.691.2j1j2.5.0...0.0...1ac.1.bliqZcKfaNA

reply to post by nothingwrong


Clouds that are white?

How about your contrail in the OP? Or the contrails in PK's videos lower down on page 1??

Good grief man - your own "evidence" and that of another Aussie chemtrail believer - right there on page 1!!

And you say that white clouds are nonsense??

Sigh....

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


You said yourself "Of course I've seen trails passing above or below other trails or clouds."
Then "How can you tell that something that is white is in font or behind something that is white? "
You can't have it both ways.

When you are willing to discuss it properly and not just make up whatever negative you can think of I will reply to your points again. Until then, have fun, keep an eye on the sky

Originally posted by fireyaguns
Great job mate.

They are spraying the fark out of us up here in banana land also.

I have footage of two planes approaching in from one direction, circle twice while spraying and leave the way they came once out of chemical spray. TWO WEEKS OF SICKNESS since then.

The bad guys in the US are not just spraying the landmass, they are also occasionally spraying perfect back-n-forth grids over the Atlantic ocean (off Florida) as shown by satellite weather radar. I'm guessing that the contamination of our ecosystem (and our bodies) is just an inconvenient side effect. This has to be for weather modification or some other military "toy".

I'm guessing the mental midgets running these programs think they (and their families) are going to be immune to the physical damage they are causing.

reply to post by nothingwrong


No, that was me. I could tell because the trails below the clouds had a definite continuous pattern and cast a shadow on the clouds above (it was morning and the sun was low).

Regarding your previous reply to me, is it that easy to tell a cumulous from an alto cumulous or a Cirro cumulous in isolation? I'm not so sure it is, but am open to a demonstration. Also your graphic does not cover all types, eg;

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by jcarpenter

The bad guys in the US are not just spraying the landmass, they are also occasionally spraying perfect back-n-forth grids over the Atlantic ocean (off Florida) as shown by satellite weather radar.

So now doesn't that tell you something?

Have you ever thought that those grid patterns are from air traffic flying regular air routes?

I'm guessing the mental midgets running these programs think they (and their families) are going to be immune to the physical damage they are causing.

So again does this not tell you something, maybe there is no secret chemical spraying done by anyone anywhere?

Originally posted by nothingwrong
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

You said yourself "Of course I've seen trails passing above or below other trails or clouds."
Then "How can you tell that something that is white is in font or behind something that is white? "
You can't have it both ways.

I don't - however in some cases the trails or the clouds produce shadows - and that makes it a lot easier to figure out which is higher.

It doesn't tell you the actual height of course.

But there are not many such shadows in your video - none in fact.

Here's another link about conrail shadows - since you obviously don't bother to read links or try to understand the physics of the atmosphere I include it for people who are interested in the atmosphere and how it works, and not for those scared of fairy tales.

When you are willing to discuss it properly and not just make up whatever negative you can think of I will reply to your points again. Until then, have fun, keep an eye on the sky

That is laughable - I have presented links and evidence - you don't even know what is in your own OP, and you say I am the one making things up"??

You have not presented a single piece of credible evidence - the reason chemtrails are laughed at is people like you - who say they exist, put forth totally debunkable evidence, and then complain that it gets debunks.

Your lack of evidence is your own fault - and something you can easily fix - all you have to do is choose to fix it.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


Never mind.
I am not complaining about anything.
Like I said (you seem very good at ignoring things too ya know!) My fault for not filming it sooner. I will next time. Then you will see what I saw.
Until then you don't believe what I am saying. That is totally fair enough - No worries mate! I have no complaint - that is your prerogative.
So say that - "I don't believe you." That does not bother me
It is your extreme arrogance that bothers me. Do not ever try to tell me that I don't know what I saw, or that I don't understand what I saw, or than I am not able to judge this that or the other. You do not know what I saw (Yes, my fault I admit) so do not presume to know more abut it than I do! Don't insult my intelligence with stupid comments about white on white! Don't insult my intelligence with pictures of spotters from WWII - You think I am ignorant of these technologies?
It is OK for us not to agree, it is even GOOD for us to debate. But I can guarantee you are not more intelligent than I am. Please do not try to educate me.
Next time I will make sure I get more and better video.

Originally posted by nothingwrong----->Please do not try to educate me.

And that's the problem with most conspiracy theorists.

Lack of education leads to wrong conclusions because your "facts" are wrong because you don't understand the basics of what you are trying to investigate.

Originally posted by nothingwrong
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

It is your extreme arrogance that bothers me. Do not ever try to tell me that I don't know what I saw, or that I don't understand what I saw, or than I am not able to judge this that or the other.

IF you believe that what you see are "chemtrails", you do not know what you saw, you did not understand what you saw, and you are not able to judge by eyesight anything related to what you are talking about.

Sorry, this is a fact. This is something quite empirical.....measurements have been taken, tests run, laws of science followed.....there is no fact in the "chemtrail" theory. If you disagree, please find and produce all the references you use to come to that conclusion. We will be waiting.

Originally posted by nothingwrong
..Do not ever try to tell me that I don't know what I saw, or that I don't understand what I saw, or than I am not able to judge this that or the other...

I'm not quite sure how you can tell that something that looks like a contrail is really a chemtrail just by looking at it, considering that every visual description I've heard for "chemtrails" sounds like the visual description of contrails.

I mean, if contrails and chemtrails look alike, how can you tell the difference without actually sampling and analyzing the trail itself?

Just wanted to say thank you to all the clever people on this thread. And remind you that (My fault I know) you didn't see what I saw. I will remedy that error next time anything like this happens (And it will, it happens often)

I will bring you better evidence.

Remember. Even if you have no faith in the theory, it is not a reasonable argument to just say "Well you don't know what you saw"

Because YOU don't know what I saw either. You think you know what I didn't see. Now that is even more nebulous than the clouds we have been arguing about!

I do love you all and your crazy conspiracy theories (Or crazy belief in the government) but lets try not to insult each other by questioning our very ability to perceive everyday scenes, like a cloud scape.

Originally posted by nothingwrong
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

Don't insult my intelligence with stupid comments about white on white!

Which is higher?

Don't insult my intelligence with pictures of spotters from WWII

Not me - you must be railing against some other person trying to educate you.

You think I am ignorant of these technologies?

I have no idea. Are you?

But I can guarantee you are not more intelligent than I am.

And how would you know that?? I have no idea of your intelligence - I would not presume to make such a comparison in either direction.

Please do not try to educate me.

Really? You do not want to have an education? You do not want to learn facts and figures and verifiable evidence??

Next time I will make sure I get more and better video.

Ah - there ARE signs of intelligent life here!!

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul


Which is higher?

The top pic is too small I can't see it properly.
The bottom pick it is very obvious to me that the trail going vertically is higher (Or behind) the trail going horizontally. Easy to see. No?

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Ah - there ARE signs of intelligent life here!!

Ah! Fooled you! I know I could!

Originally posted by nothingwrong

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul


Which is higher?

The top pic is too small I can't see it properly.

it and the one below are 2 I sourced from a google search for "contrail and cloud" - feel free to look up the original at that search - unfortunately ATS doesn't want me to create a link to it

The bottom pick it is very obvious to me that the trail going vertically is higher (Or behind) the trail going horizontally. Easy to see. No?

I can see elements of the "Vertical" trail apparently "in front" of the "horizontal one" without any bother at all.

How about this one, the provenance of which I know because I took the photo - I can tell you that the fluffy white cloud is definitely lower than the wispy ones in the background (because I was driving south and saw all of them from various angles - but which of those 2 wispy ones is higher or lower? Which is a contrail and which was a cirrus cloud bank that had been building that afternoon?



The photo was taken on the "Desert Road" in New Zealand, north of Waiouru in the middle of the North Island, in December of 2010, facing roughly south-south-east.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


This isn't a geography test....

I have made my point. Trying to find a more difficult picture to decipher makes you look desperate.

The answer is simple - just list the cloud types in order of height. You may have confusion between the Cirrus and the Altostratus as they have a cross over in their heights at about 18,000 to 20,000 ft.

PS

VAPOR TRAIL!!! lol