Gallup Poll: People prefer Arming schools and treating the mentally ill to AWB

Originally posted by Terminal1
reply to post by MikeNice81

 

I understand but what I am suggesting is that teachers should worry about teaching and not security. Leave that worry to security.

Also, you know as well as I that there would be many teachers that would not like the idea of their co-workers be armed. I would even wager that a good portion of teachers would be for an AWB to begin with.

That in itself would create too much friction in the workplace.

Teachers are already asked to patrol the lunch room and halls looking for kids skipping class, defacing property, and fighting. Teachers are already asked to provide security in the schools. This would be preparing them for the ultimate aberration. It is just like training them on how to put out a fire or administer first aid.

People wouldn't question a teacher having a fire extinguisher in their classroom. Yet 0 kids have died because of mass fire in a school, that I can remember. We lost 26 students and faculty in a single day. So we continue to ask teachers to be firefighters, EMTs, and security guards, yet we tell them that being prepared to face an active shooter is a distraction. That makes no logical sense. If knowing how to use a fire extinguisher and an AED doesn't stop them from teaching, why would voluntarily learning how to properly carry a weapon and confront an active shooter?

As far as other staff being bothered by it, sorry my kid's life comes first. It is time to get over this notion that simply having a gun or knowledge of how to use a gun is violent. Concealed carry means two things, don't tell and don't show. If the licensed teacher is truly carrying concealed there is no reason for the rest of the staff to know.

Originally posted by Terminal1
reply to post by thisguyrighthere

 

Yea... not to say that having some teachers carry may influence other teachers and cause a bad environment in the workplace in general. I can't see that as a good thing for the students.

Have to take that power out of the teachers hands and into someone whose sole purpose is to protect the school grounds and buildings.

I was kinda envisioning the "man traps" that are in banks for some reason. Have these types of doors in sections as to actually trap an "intruder" in a certain section till help arrives and also wall off the intruder from the population.

Good way to create jobs and I'd pay an extra few bucks in property taxes to have it done.

I know an elementary school principle, USMC veteran, and a CCW holder. He carries a pistol everywhere he goes except for work. It does not make a lot of sense to him or me. The great part of concealed carry is that no one will know who is carrying. This gives the criminal an element of uncertainty.

Why is this a good poll? It shows that 63% of people think banning Assualt Weapons would be Effective or Highly Effective at stopping mass shootings. They may think other things will help more but, they still think a ban is effective which makes todays poll "The poll found that nearly four in five Americans support some gun control in some form and 62 percent back a ban on semi-automatic assault rifles and high-capacity magazine clips."
I believe a deal will be cut between the gun ban people and the NRA to restrict selling any more assualt style weapons. That people that own them now get grandfathered in and that all other fire arms will be off the table. This would not effect hunters or sportsman and lets face it outside of they are fun to have its hard to justfiy assault weapons. I have them for fun but its not like I have any real use for them.

reply to post by Answer


So you really want the fedgov to have access to and be in charge of your confidential medical information?
How about they just grab all the medical records and pharmacy records for everybody - let's start with Medicare recipients (since the "government" has those records already)?

"Pardon me, Mr/Ms Answer, but we see you've been proscribed hormone therapy. Given the propensity for agitation and violence in hormonal patients, you have been found unstable to [own a gun] [drive a car] [reproduce/marry] [live outside a FEMA camp]".

Would you really find this acceptable and do you believe and trust the fedgov to be fair/unbiased or sensitive to or about your documented conditions, medications, etc.?

ganjoa

reply to post by MrSpad


Tell me what the difference is between an AR-15 and a Mini-14? I can still slap a magazine in a Mini-14 and shoot .223. Fear of cosmetic features is not logical. Sorry, but banning a weapon that is used in less than 3% of crimes is simplistic and pointless. It is a "starting point." That means it will go further.

AR-15s are used every day by hunters and farmers across the country. They are more than fun toys to play with. Ask a farmer what is easier to carry for protecting his live stock from coyotes and predators. Every farmer I know has some form of black riffle for protecting against four legged creatures. The reason is the versatility of the .223 round and the durability of the platform. You can get a bullet optimized for everything from groundhogs to wild boars. Plus, you can rest assured that it will work.

Originally posted by ganjoa
reply to post by Answer

 

So you really want the fedgov to have access to and be in charge of your confidential medical information?
How about they just grab all the medical records and pharmacy records for everybody - let's start with Medicare recipients (since the "government" has those records already)?

"Pardon me, Mr/Ms Answer, but we see you've been proscribed hormone therapy. Given the propensity for agitation and violence in hormonal patients, you have been found unstable to [own a gun] [drive a car] [reproduce/marry] [live outside a FEMA camp]".

Would you really find this acceptable and do you believe and trust the fedgov to be fair/unbiased or sensitive to or about your documented conditions, medications, etc.?

ganjoa

Your point is exactly why I added the bit in my post basically saying "the government would immediately abuse the power and screw things up."

Do you American realise you have the laughing stock of the civilised world? UK, Europe, Australia and canada are laughing at you!

Your gun control laws are a joke as it is! Who needs to buy a assualt weapon? And in supermarkets! Your asking for trouble.

And NRA plan to arm teachers? That just stupid. Your saying the solution to gun problems is more guns!

UK, France, Germany, Canada ect dont arm teachers and guess what! We dont have school massacres every other month! Last one in UK was in the 1990's. O and we are all free Democrays too(Americas not the only free country ) and we survive with gun restrictions.

Sheesh if I had to imigrate to America I would choose canada over gun happy USA every time.

reply to post by Answer


the problem with releasing mental health records is HIPPA and until that law is changed nothing legally could be done about it

if i could suggest an amendment to your idea in the sense that instead of access to the records and thus violating hippa instead they just Flag the SSN of any one who is FORCIBLY committed to an institution(as going voluntary does not bar gun ownership) thus instead of showing private medical reccords with details its just a simple yes or no like the background checks work felon no gun non felon you get your gun if that makes any sense

Originally posted by Atzil321

 

How would mental health screening have prevented this latest horror? Even if lanza was prohibited from owning guns, he still had access to them via his mother.

Well with 300 million in America we cannot prevent everything. People do stupid and evil things all the time, but we let media rule our thoughts all the time too. There will be over 500 gun murders in Chicago this year and guns are banned there.

All we can do is try and contain it anyway we can. Allowing teachers to carry will help contain it, but that is one of many things with gun control the least useful of them all.

Originally posted by crazyewok

UK, France, Germany, Canada ect dont arm teachers and guess what! We dont have school massacres every other month! Last one in UK was in the 1990's. O and we are all free Democrays too(Americas not the only free country ) and we survive with gun restrictions.

Sheesh if I had to imigrate to America I would choose canada over gun happy USA every time.

Well first, America is not a Democracy... end of story....BTW didn't London have 4000 gun crimes last year alone?......

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by crazyewok

UK, France, Germany, Canada ect dont arm teachers and guess what! We dont have school massacres every other month! Last one in UK was in the 1990's. O and we are all free Democrays too(Americas not the only free country ) and we survive with gun restrictions.

Sheesh if I had to imigrate to America I would choose canada over gun happy USA every time.

Well first, America is not a Democracy... end of story....BTW didn't London have 4000 gun crimes last year alone?......

Nope 388 apprenty country wide. And we dont have school massacares every other month.

www.bbc.co.uk...

reply to post by crazyewok


Ask me if I jolly CARE what a bunch of snobby European Socialists think of my country that I love which is the ONLY country to be ruled based on individual freedom and liberty.

reply to post by crazyewok

Nope 388 apprenty country wide. And we dont have school massacares every other month.

Nor do we, but you simply do not understand that these happenings are likely black ops being used against the people for the sheer purpose of finding reason for disarmament. You just don't understand how the Illuminati and the NWO work.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by crazyewok

 

Ask me if I jolly CARE what a bunch of snobby European Socialists think of my country that I love which is the ONLY country to be ruled based on individual freedom and liberty.

You have to remember, the Europeans and Aussies are retroactively ashamed they allowed there governments to disarm them and are now paying the price and will continue to pay the price as it gets ever more costly to them and there "rights".

The snide comments come mostly imho because of sadness and possible shame that they allowed it to happen to them and we somehow have managed to keep our weapons. I love my Europeans and Aussie brothers and sisters and this post is not a slight to them but I know, the majority of those populations did not want a forced sell back of there weapons. I know that by watching all of the European unrest from months back that only managed to slip out in youtube videos here and there and lost all traction because tossing cans and throwing bricks only gets you so far.

Originally posted by crazyewok

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by crazyewok

UK, France, Germany, Canada ect dont arm teachers and guess what! We dont have school massacres every other month! Last one in UK was in the 1990's. O and we are all free Democrays too(Americas not the only free country ) and we survive with gun restrictions.

Sheesh if I had to imigrate to America I would choose canada over gun happy USA every time.

Well first, America is not a Democracy... end of story....BTW didn't London have 4000 gun crimes last year alone?......

Nope 388 apprenty country wide. And we dont have school massacares every other month.

I didn't say murders, I said gun crimes is in 16000 per year.

Originally posted by NavyDoc

I know an elementary school principle, USMC veteran, and a CCW holder. He carries a pistol everywhere he goes except for work. It does not make a lot of sense to him or me. The great part of concealed carry is that no one will know who is carrying. This gives the criminal an element of uncertainty.

The schools in Texas were teachers are allowed to carry concealed I don't think worry about attacks.

Does anyone stop to think for a second that armed teachers or guards would be able to stop a trained team of terrorist assassins such as mossad, or jihadists? Think about it for a second America....we have been occupying countries in the middle east for some time now. We have essentially taken over the opium fields in Afghanistan, and it is no secret that certain countries have a death wish for the U.S.A.

It is also no secret that the intelligence agencies are monitoring, analyzing, and watching all communications across the world to find such groups, and discover their plans.

The everyday American does not want to know the truth, that there are possible terrorist cells operating inside the U.S. and have the ability to carry out such attacks as the Sandy Hook school incident. But people are a lot smarter than we give them credit for. And the veil has been placed over our eyes so that we do not question events and what could happen.

There are powerful political players that are indeed playing a game with all of us...we should pay closer attention.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by crazyewok

 

the ONLY country to be ruled based on individual freedom and liberty.

Typical stupid American Redneck who has no idea of the outside world!

UK has the same freedom as US, we have freedom of speach expresion ect

The only thing we dont have is a right to bare arms.....Instead we have a 100% right to a fair trial unlike your counrty who can indeffinatly detain people with out trial.

Land of the free yeah right.....maybe 100 years ago but not now.

Liberty, freedom democray.....just old slogans your country uses to inspire stupid rednecks.

Hmm, i wonder how many of those who are for paying for the treatment of the mentally ill, as well as paying for armed guards at every school in america, are "fiscally conservative".

Don't get me wrong, i'm all for public healthcare, and fixing our mental health system so that it actually works, but not really a big fan of armed guards at schools.

Nice. But, who gave the right to your services to do such a things in Yugoslavia?
We were communist state, and you will kill us all, all put us all into prisons and into madhouses?
Friendly, isn't it?

Let me tell you a joke: A Woman is passing thru the graveyard, in midnight, alone. Suddenly, she met a guy, and told him: Thanks to god that you came, I am very scared of vampires... Than he answered: I am completly understanding you, I was scared of them, too... Until I was alive...