The subjective.

reply to post by smithjustinb

The person is a transient thing that is being used as a vessel of experience by something that the person cannot fully comprehend. But that which is using us is our true nature. In my belief.

Nice theory. Do you like the idea your being used?

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You speak of 'subjective' and 'objective'. You think there is a you (subject) and a world (objective). Because you believe there is two (you + world) you will feel frightened by the other. This is the fear that cannot be removed until the truth is realized. If there is 'other' than me there will always be fear - protection must be applied, armour against 'the world'.

Only when the two become one will the kingdom be revealed.

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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The person is a transient thing that is being used as a vessel of experience by something that the person cannot fully comprehend. But that which is using us is our true nature. In my belief.

Nice theory. Do you like the idea your being used?

Of my what being used?

Love touches my physical.

reply to post by smithjustinb

Of my what being used?

Love touches my physical.

I remember i used a line like that once. Elaborate more please to my open mind?

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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Of my what being used?

Love touches my physical.

I remember i used a line like that once. Elaborate more please to my open mind?

I'm not sure I know how to elaborate more please.

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I'm not sure I know how to elaborate more please.

I think we hit this junction before. Im sure you do know, or i could tell you. Last time from memory i came away abit bruised so can a fool repeat the same mistake twice?

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Big and small. Hot and cold. Good and bad. Beautiful and ugly. Fast and slow. Smart and dumb. Meaningful and meaningless. And many many more ideas. None of these are absolute. If it is not absolute, it is ultimately untrue.

The human lives a human life. The human life is colored by qualities, adjectives, and opinions, all of which amount to falsehoods. So what happens when you try to stop seeing these subjective things?

The human lives in a relative world because of words that are used that speak in opposites. Good/bad, right/wong etc.
What happens when you remove the words? Can you see and hear without judgement? It is the words that add judgement. If words appear then don't judge them - just see them. Try seeing without taking the words as fact.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
Nothing is static in reality everything is in motion.

But not all all at once.

Originally posted by smithjustinb

The human lives a human life. The human life is colored by qualities, adjectives, and opinions, all of which amount to falsehoods. So what happens when you try to stop seeing these subjective things?

Can you try to stop seeing? Can you try to stop hearing? Try really, realy hard to stop seeing and hearing.
It is impossible to stop.
The words that are laid upon what is seen and heard arrive after the initial seeing and hearing. The words again are just appearances that can be seen and heard.

All that appears is the light of consciousness (it can only appear presently), the light is what is seen.
What is it that sees and knows the light that is appearing presently? And can it be anywhere but here and now?

Originally posted by Angle

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
Nothing is static in reality everything is in motion.

But not all all at once.

Can you elebrorate please?

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Is that profound usage of the word fool?

reply to post by Itisnowagain


No, I can not, Athlon is.

On a forum karma seems naturally. haha, new thread.

Originally posted by Angle
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Is that profound usage of the word fool?

Are you name calling? Or am i just confused by your incomplete post?

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I would of thought so.

reply to post by Itisnowagain


I'm not calling anyone a fool here at the moment. It can happen.

Basically you have a controversial and folding equation of opposing dualities - hot is hot and cold is cold, hot can be felt hot and cold can be felt cold, cold can be felt hot, hot can be felt cold, and cold and hot are interchangeable alphabetic definitions in the subjective sense.

reply to post by BlueMule

Suppose you share a dream with another person. Suppose you both have perfect recall of it. Is that dream subjective or objective?

Suppose you and someone else walk into a room together, and you both spot the vase at the exact same moment. Then you write down your exact impressions and compare them with each other. You both saw the same thing at the same time and had different reactions to it.

That's called subjective.

reply to post by jiggerj

Well, it's question that comes to mind... The evidence is all over. Dead bodies, extinct species, shifting genetics, basic building blocks of life, new disasters and threats, and more.

99.9% of all life that has existed here is extinct.

The earth's atmosphere and oceans (and the lithosphere?) have changed over time. Many past life forms could not exist in today's world because of many factors that would be lethal to them.

Here's another one:
Maybe earth is the only place in the universe with evolution of this sort. This kind of evolutionary force that creates new life forms continually and thrusts them into the world to test them. This is not to say the testing is intentional. It might be a byproduct of some force in the universe.

We don't know for sure yet, do we? We haven't discovered ET yet. So there's a slim possibility that this is the only remaining place in the universe with "natural" evolution or any at all.

What are tried and multiply tested things known as facts, if not objective?

There is a view that can be objective IMO -- one relying on facts.

To want to try your entire view as being absolute and objective with no subjectivity is just unrealistic as every individual experiences through their senses then analyzes them in a subjective way.