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Surprise: McConnell Offers Vote on Obama/Geithner Fiscal Cliff Plan, Reid Objects

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posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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McConnell offers vote, Reid objects

I did a search and didn't find anything on this newest development.

It seems that Mitch McConnell took to the floor and offered an immediate vote on President Obama's fiscal cliff plan. Harry Reid objected and shut the whole thing down, labeling the suggestion a "stunt." Then, shortly after, Reid claimed that the Obama/Geithner proposal doesn't exist.

Republicans keep being accused of being obstructionist and holding the nation/middle class hostage, so they say "sure, let's have a vote on Obama's plan." and Reid claims it's a stunt and they're still being obstructionist. Really?

Look Harry, you can't have it both ways. If repubs block Obama/Geithner's proposal they are bad and holding the middle class hostage and if they offer to bring it to a vote they are bad and holding the middle class hostage. Well, what exactly are they supposed to do that will make you happy? Give us a hint, because right now it looks like you're going to be throwing a temper tantrum no matter what they do. They block it and get the blame or they cave and give you every single thing you ask for and they get the blame. Just, huh? How's that work again?

Take care,
Cindi




posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 06:34 PM
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*Sigh* My soul weeps for those who don't know the very basics of the political process.

Having said that.....the reason why Reid said there was no Obama/Geithner Fiscal Plan is because

THERE WAS NO ACTUAL PIECE OF LEGISLATION TO VOTE ON !

You have to actually DRAFT legislation.....Oh God I am getting really sick and tiered of trying to explain simple basic things to people who should know ..............

I'm done. I can't help you.

Carry on.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 06:54 PM
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Harry Reed is the loudest tool in the shed without any teeth.

Picture a Chainsaw making noise but no chain.

Nevada is LAST is education and LAST in Unemployment.

www.bls.gov...

voices.yahoo.com...
They have more CASH run through that State then any State in the nation.
How do YOU spell corrruption?

It's a joke. Ever drive through Neveda? They have more freeways being built with Federal funds then anywhere I've ever seen. Thanks to Harry. They even have those clevor "sillouete cowboys" on the sides.

And that count's as employed workers.Employment in Nevada is worse then it reads.

Harry, let's Las Vegas funnel money out of the State, and in return He lobbies for them to get elected.

Ain't it great on-line gambling is getting approved?

Atta Boy Harry..

Now go act like your not a tool.

(Banging Head ON Desk)



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by skepticconwatcher
reply to post by Glencairn
 


*Sigh* My soul weeps for those who don't know the very basics of the political process.

Having said that.....the reason why Reid said there was no Obama/Geithner Fiscal Plan is because

THERE WAS NO ACTUAL PIECE OF LEGISLATION TO VOTE ON !

You have to actually DRAFT legislation.....Oh God I am getting really sick and tiered of trying to explain simple basic things to people who should know ..............

I'm done. I can't help you.

Carry on.




posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 06:57 PM
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I don't want your help. You really believe what you wrote.

I get the legislation process.

I get a tool in the shed to get paid and whine.

For a fee.

So does Harry.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by niceguybob
I don't want your help. You really believe what you wrote.

I get the legislation process.

I get a tool in the shed to get paid and whine.

For a fee.

So does Harry.


I'm sorry. Did you write this ? You do know that you are not supposed to have two accounts do you not ?

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posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 07:25 PM
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?????????? Are you kidding Me? I had an old account. I hadn't read the rulebook.

I have over 1200 posts under Niceguybob. Your scaring me doode.

What does that POSSIBLY have to do with your post?

Your posts are rediculing people not agreeing with you.

C-ya...



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 07:49 PM
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What happened here is that Obama/Geithner said "this is what we want" because they fully expected the republicans to balk and say no. The republicans called their bluff and said "okay, you win, let's do it your way" and Harry Reid got all froggy and started having a fit claiming that it was a "stunt". Maybe it was, but it wasn't the first "stunt" in this parade. That was thrown down by Obama via Geithner with their insane initial proposal.

If the dems don't like having their bluff called, maybe they should rethink their strategy of offering insane proposals to begin with.

I'm very sorry to hear that your soul weeps because people disagree with you and won't just fall into line and get on board with your partisan rhetoric. You should probably look into getting that taken care of.

Take care,
Cindi



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 07:52 PM
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Pretty smart tactic on McConnell's part. It doesn't matter if there is actually a written "Bill" or not, he can send this out over the airwaves as is and do damage.

"We offered to vote on Obama's plan and the Democrats blocked the progress"..."who's being obstructionist now?"

And then they all leave for the holidays anyway...

It doesn't matter, neither side has any plan of avoiding the "fiscal hoax"....The deficit must be cut....we sincerely need a balanced budget.

The fear mongering from both sides (and the BS MSM) is driving the sheep into suicidal paranoia...

I say....take a running start and jump off that make believe cliff. I'm calling BS on the "Doom Porn"...



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 07:54 PM
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McConnell brought the Presidents plan forward as an amendment to H.R. 6156 - Reid shutdown voting on that bill. McConnell countered by offering to consider the Presidents plan as it stood as a stand-alone bill - that offer was refused also.

The way the game works should be obvious, the majority could pass any bill they desire but do not want to as they need cover of so-called bipartisan voting to deflect criticism. The other part is the fact that the majority knows it does not have the votes for the Presidents plan and does not want that known outright, nor be seen as a defeat of ideas.

This is same reason Democrats have not voted on Presidents budget for over 1000 days.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by Glencairn
reply to post by skepticconwatcher
 


What happened here is that Obama/Geithner said "this is what we want" because they fully expected the republicans to balk and say no. The republicans called their bluff and said "okay, you win, let's do it your way" and Harry Reid got all froggy and started having a fit claiming that it was a "stunt". Maybe it was, but it wasn't the first "stunt" in this parade. That was thrown down by Obama via Geithner with their insane initial proposal.

If the dems don't like having their bluff called, maybe they should rethink their strategy of offering insane proposals to begin with.

I'm very sorry to hear that your soul weeps because people disagree with you and won't just fall into line and get on board with your partisan rhetoric. You should probably look into getting that taken care of.

Take care,
Cindi



It was a stunt.

McConnell didn't want a vote on a bill, he wanted a generic "up/down" vote on everything in the proposal. Even if everyone in the Senate voted "up", it gets you no closer to an actual bill...because there isn't one written.

All it would do is waste time and try to force some Dems to say they vote "up" on parts of the proposal that they don't agree with and that they know will most likely never make actual legislation. That is just fodder for Republicans to use in future elections.

If McConnell is serious about it, he should write up an actual piece of legislation and put it to a vote.

I will repeat for clarity, there is no legislation written yet. At this time there are just proposals and ideas being floated around. It was a stunt, it's all McConnell has done for the past 4 years (hint, these same stunts are what allowed the Republicans to say Obama got no votes for his budget, even though it was never HIS budget they voted on).



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 08:06 PM
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This is exactly what I saw it as. You described what I meant perfectly. It is all theater and brinksmanship. In my opinion, it was a clever move on McConnell's part. It puts the onus on the dems to bring a real offer to the table and, as a bi-partisan effort, we move forward from there in an effort to really balance the budget or we go off the cliff and work from wherever we land.

Take care,
Cindi



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 08:19 PM
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Nope, Nope and Nope

The up/down vote was to amend HR 6156 with the Presidents plan, had that been done then final voting on 6156 would have occurred with an amendment added which was the Presidents plan.

In a procedural move Reid withdrew 6156 in its entirety and prevented up/down vote on inclusion of Presidents plan as amendment via up/down vote.

Had Reid not done so then chance Presidents plan would be included as amendment to 6156 was there and Reids party would have to go on record as voting for or against.

Bandying about the word "legislation" as a mantra is meaningless as any senator can call for any amendment desired and put it to a floor vote, if I wanted to add an amendent that said "all blue cars are now banned" I could as a senator do so without going through what you call "legislation"

This has been a typycal Democrat party tactic and dare I say specialty since I can remember, now its a stunt when tables are turned - hypocracy especially coming from Reid the master of this technique.

Hardly a "stunt" politics as usual yes.

As a gridlock solver I am for all bills to be standalone, no stripping or other manouvers to get around origination, amendments only dealing strictly to standalone bills subject.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 08:32 PM
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Cindi,

Hope its realized no matter which way its proclaimed we've saved you or on the converse damned you by either party.

The cliff was gone over already and all thats really going on is re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic, math and exponents do not lie nor do they offer any salvation economically. We went up and over the ramp ten years back and are just now reaching apogee from here on out its down we go.

I support one party over another as I believe one will work to preserve something of this country I grew up in. The other party seems bent on destroying it completely leaving my children as chattel for an all powerful state or worse.

The only thing left is to fight for individual rights as forfathers intended them to be.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 08:57 PM
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Honestly, this is how it's been going down for decades. The only thing that has changed are the talking heads on both sides. Meanwhile, the little guy gets the shaft AGAIN.

Interesting discussion so far by the way.



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by Glencairn
 


Honestly, this is how it's been going down for decades. The only thing that has changed are the talking heads on both sides. Meanwhile, the little guy gets the shaft AGAIN.

Interesting discussion so far by the way.


These stunts like the one the OP points out..They bug me... Yeah, I can see what they are doing...But I am so.... sick of the stunts... I just want action... It's what I want. No more bipartisan arguing. No more refusal to compromise or work together... I am just sick of the stunts.

So, this leaves me wondering what can be done to change that... Because, I for one, am getting sick of the same old, leaving the little guys screwed while the talking heads on both sides of the fence never really do much to change anything....Except to maybe make things even harder for us little people...

You are right though... Being fair, the problem is not just the right or just the left, it's Washington as a whole and all that's ever changed are the names...

I'm sick of being screwed by the shaft they love to give us... But I am in a state of mind that I am unsure how to make real change in Washington....It seems like every attempt at real change gets shot down...


Is it obvious I am frustrated with politics and politicians as a whole, right now?


Very nice and well written thread, OP. S&F!
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posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by DirtyLiberalHippie

I'm sick of being screwed by the shaft they love to give us... But I am in a state of mind that I am unsure how to make real change in Washington....It seems like every attempt at real change gets shot down...

Is it obvious I am frustrated with politics and politicians as a whole, right now?



Me Too!

On other threads I've suggested or agreed,

Term Limits
No lobbyists period
Senators elected per Constitution as originally intended
Bills in congress shall be single subject stand alone bills
No amendments to bills of congress unrelated to original bills subject shall be allowed
No gimmicks in legislation such as tacking on unrelated subjects to get a bill either passed or failed
No gimmicks such as stripping bills by senate to bypass origination clause in constitution
Send all Judicial rulings back to congress to re-legislate if found unconstitutional.
Force administrative branch to submit balanced budget to congress for consideration except in times of congressionaly declared war or emergency - bar executive orders to contrary - use 60 day limit like war powers act.
Bar public bailout of private corporations and bar government takeover of same for reasons other than congressionally approved national security reasons.

I'm sure others can add much more here but think these would go aways in breaking up system as it stands.

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posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by skepticconwatcher


I'm sorry. Did you write this ? You do know that you are not supposed to have two accounts do you not ?

edit on 5-12-2012 by skepticconwatcher because: (no reason given)



If you really think that the OP and niceguybob are the same person, you are exercising a lack of rational thinking... Some one other than the OP replied to your posts... That's all...


Back on topic, and to offer a more direct reply to the OP, I am in agreement with Jeremiah65. This is something, whether a bill was written or not, that they can and no doubt will use to try and do political damage...

They can now say that they offered to vote on it but it was blocked by the democrats... Of course, they wont say that it was blocked because it would have been a waste of time to vote when ultimately there was nothing to vote on just yet...But... This is politics and the lack of a bill does not matter....

This was done only because they are looking to set it up to be able to take shots at the dems....

And these are the kind of stunts that are leaving me frustrated.... Both sides do this... Both sides... and it leaves the little guy screwed....

Peace and love.
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posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 10:06 PM
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Great thread.



This administrations "plan" has a track record.............


In a rare show of unanimous bipartisanship, House Democrats and Republicans united in their opposition to President Obama's 2013 budget, which failed tonight with 414 votes against and zero in favor of the budget.


Obama budget fails 414-0 as Democrats bail

See?



posted on Dec, 5 2012 @ 10:12 PM
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S&F! Thanks for posting this and bringing it to our attention.






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