How Christians would be treated under Sharia!

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by maes2
they are lies. definitely they are lies. do you know why !? because media say they were executed just for being gay or lesbian !!!

No .. it's not lies just because you want them to be. The truth is the truth. The law in Iran is that people are murdered by the Islamic laws there simply because they are homosexual. That's the truth. Deal with it.
That is how innocent people are treated under Sharia ... and it's disgusting.

no my friend you are going after your ego not the truth. I am living in Iran and I am saying this is not true.
execution for sex crimes are mostly because of rape. execution just for adultery or homosexuality is really rare because the way of proving that is intentionally really hard (the exact crime (intercourse) should be witnessed by at least four eyewitnesses which at least two of them should be man !!! ) and they are in the private life of people. and this is the aim of such harsh punishments. as I said before and brought you a part of Gospel the aim is not killing people but to prevent that such crimes become public. so they should remain in the private life of people.
this is Aids and corrupted politicians who are killing people all over the world not Sharia or monotheistic religions.

Originally posted by maes2
such harsh laws for sexual crimes are not for implementing. they are for preventing such crimes and to keep such crimes in the private life of people no in the public.

Being homosexual is not a crime. It's how people were born. Islam is homophobic.
IT has the problem .. not the homosexual people.

And there are A LOT of homosexuals on this planet. There are 6 billion people and 4% of them are LGTB (Lesbian, Gay Transgender, Bisexual) ... 240,000,000 people .... (if my math is correct). Iran's laws ... SHARIA law ... would kill them all off simply for being who God made them to be. Murdering all those people ... that's evil ... that's a SIN.

Originally posted by maes2
I am living in Iran and I am saying this is not true.

And you buy into that because the Iranian government controls the media and only tells you what they want you to hear. State run 'news' programs. I suppose next you'll tell us that the torture prisons aren't there .. and that there are no political prisoners who are tortured ... and that women aren't beaten by morals police on the street.

Not buying it.

Human Rights Watch - Discrimination and Violence Against Sexual Minorities in Iran

How Christians Would Be Treated Under Sharia ....

Christians would have all their crosses and statues BLOWN UP.
Remember the ancient Buddhist statues in Afghanistan?
Christians would have all their bibles burned. (Saudi Arabia)
Christians would have their public displays of religion outlawed. (Saudi Arabia)

I wouldn't be able to pray my rosary in public .. I'd be tossed in jail and have my rosary destroyed.
I wouldn't be able to visit a cemetary by myself .. no male escort.
I wouldn't be able to wear a T-shirt and shorts in the summer ...


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Originally posted by FlyersFan
such harsh laws for sexual crimes are not for implementing. they are for preventing such crimes and to keep such crimes in the private life of people no in the public.
Being homosexual is not a crime. It's how people were born. Islam is homophobic.
IT has the problem .. not the homosexual people.
And there are A LOT of homosexuals on this planet. There are 6 billion people and 4% of them are LGTB (Lesbian, Gay Transgender, Bisexual) ... 240,000,000 people .... (if my math is correct). Iran's laws ... SHARIA law ... would kill them all off simply for being who God made them to be. Murdering all those people ... that's evil ... that's a SIN.

and you mean Judaism is homosexual !!!!
I said the exact crime (intercourse) should be witnessed by four eyewitnesses which at least two of them should be man ! what does it mean !! it means such crimes should be kept in the private life of people not in the public. and approximately such crimes do not lead to execution.
these are to prevent people not to rally and claim that homosexuality is a marriage ! like in USA !!
people are not born homosexual if someone really think that he is born homosexual he should know that it is a problem which should be cured physically or mentally. monotheistic religions do not seek any excuse to kill people for their physical or mental problems. the aim is to prevent rallies which claim homosexuality is some sort of marriage !!!
and you showed me the human right of UN ! oh I know how those liars collect their informations and even do not let the Iran's Representative go and explain that.
homosexuality and human right is a new tools of international Zionism to put pressure on their enemies.
our prophet has said that when homosexuality spreads worldwide in public that is sign of anti_christ (Dajjal)!

Originally posted by FlyersFan
How Christians Would Be Treated Under Sharia ....
Christians would have all their crosses and statues BLOWN UP.
Remember the ancient Buddhist statues in Afghanistan?
Christians would have all their bibles burned. (Saudi Arabia)
Christians would have their public displays of religion outlawed. (Saudi Arabia)

Sharia respects all monotheistic religions just because they are all from one source.

I wouldn't be able to visit a cemetary by myself .. no male escort.

Saudi Arabia is just Saudi Arabia. I know how they attach detectors to their wives or prevent them from driving or execute other nations simply or how they are still after slavery
but Islam respects women.

I wouldn't be able to wear a T-shirt and shorts in the summer ...

well right you should tolerate some limitations but you do not have to live in an Islamic state ! do you !!

Originally posted by maes2
and you mean Judaism is homosexual !!!!

I have no idea what that means. You'll have to explain it.

I said the exact crime (intercourse) should be witnessed by four eyewitnesses which at least two of them should be man !

1 - Homosexual sex isn't a crime. Being homosexual isn't wrong. IT JUST IS.

2 - And why, exactly, is it important that 'at least two witness' be men'?? Because the word of a woman isn't worth as much as a man in a Sharia Court. MISOGYNY.

it means such crimes should be kept in the private life of people not in the public. and approximately such crimes do not lead to execution.

That's sick. It isn't a crime for two consenting adults to do whatever they want with their bodies. It's THEIR RIGHT to do what they want. And for anyone to say they should be executed for having consentual sex ... that's just sick.

these are to prevent people not to rally and claim that homosexuality is a marriage ! like in USA !!

Marriage equality ... two adults who love each other can get married and have a life together. There is nothing wrong with that. YOUR beliefs may think there is ... but you have no right to force your archaic religious beliefs onto others and you have no right to interfere in the bedroom lives of others.

people are not born homosexual

yes they are.

and you showed me the human right of UN ! oh I know how those liars collect their informations and even do not let the Iran's Representative go and explain that.

I'll believe Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International over the government of Iran anyday. Iran .. government run 'news' .. it's just a propaganda machine. They cover up their crimes against humanity.

homosexuality and human right is a new tools of international Zionism to put pressure on their enemies.

Oh gawd .. did you just blame homosexuality on Zionism?? :shk: What is it with the obsession you people have with the Jews? No .. exposing the crimes against humanity purp'd by the Iranian government isn't a 'tool of Zionists'. It's just exposing Iran .. and Sharia Law .. for what it is ... archaic, bigoted, misogynistic and EVIL.

our prophet has said that when homosexuality spreads worldwide in public that is sign of anti_christ

Your 'prophet' wasn't exactly a holy man .. he murdered his political opponents and was a caravan thief. His actions are more in line with anti-christ than the homosexual people that I know.


I'll repeat to make sure it sinks in a bit ... you have no right to force your archaic religious beliefs onto others and you have no right to interfere in the bedroom lives of others.

Originally posted by maes2
Sharia respects all monotheistic religions just because they are all from one source.

Yeah right. That's why Saudi Arabia doesn't allow Christians to bring their bibles in the country and doesn't allow people to pray their rosaries in the open .. that's why Christians are going to be second class citizens under the new uber-Muslim rule of law in Egypt .. etc etc

but Islam respects women.

ABSURD.
Hey .. just found this lil' gem ...
Muslim Village in India Banned Women from using Mobile Phones over Fears Women Would Elope

If Islam respected women, they would have all the same rights as men.
Same rights in a court of law. Same chance at an education.
'Morals Police' wouldn't be running around beating women because they wore sandals.

well right you should tolerate some limitations

HELL NO. You have NO RIGHT to force your archaic beliefs onto others. You have no right to force women across America not to wear shorts or t-shirts in the summer. You don't like what we wear .. then it's YOUR PROBLEM .. not ours.

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You know it's a bit funny.

I've been to Iran, and other ME countries over the last 3 decades. On multiple occasions.

Those Muslims that I met actually had no problem with homosexuality, be it in public or in private. You know what it is they feared?

The extremist Islamist.

They fear supporting others at the risk of their own lives.

~Tenth

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oh God ! we have completely opposite viewpoints !! we can not get to a common point !!!
so I just say I respect Judaism and Chiristianity and by Zionism I did not mean Judaism.
moreover Muhammad was the Paraclete of Gospels who Jesus promised him so at least assume that this may be true so try not to tell what you are not sure about him.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
The extremist Islamist.
They fear supporting others at the risk of their own lives.

oh yes extremism is really a danger. extremism like Talibanism or AlQaeda those who are suicide bombings here and there for their bosses.

You know it's a bit funny.
I've been to Iran, and other ME countries over the last 3 decades. On multiple occasions.
Those Muslims that I met actually had no problem with homosexuality, be it in public or in private. You know what it is they feared?

okay that shows the situation is not so harsh as what media are saying that they are seeking homosexuals and adulterers in the streets to kill them under Sharia law !
yes some people may perform homosexuality just as a sexual pleasure !! but not in the streets and they do not regard that some sort of marriage or natural sex !!!

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When the government is slowly strangling people from a noose on a crane in public and letting the bodies hang there as a spectacle... for 'crimes' as small as having sex outside of marriage, the extremists are in power.
In the case of Iran, the extremists control a country that is a regional power.

It isn't just the Taliban.

Originally posted by maes2
Muhammad was the Paraclete of Gospels who Jesus promised

Um .. no. The Paraclete is the Holy Spirit.
God the Father. God the Son. God the Holy Spirit.
Part of the Christian Trinity.
Jesus isn't going to promise a murdering thief as someone wonderful who is coming ...

Originally posted by butcherguy
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When the government is slowly strangling people from a noose on a crane in public and letting the bodies hang there as a spectacle... for 'crimes' as small as having sex outside of marriage, the extremists are in power.
In the case of Iran, the extremists control a country that is a regional power.
It isn't just the Taliban.

well you assume that people are angry when mass murderers or controversial rapers are executed in the public.
no people regard that fair. when someone kill a person in the street and it becomes controversial he should be executed in the street as well. when someone rapes, a controversial rape he should be executed in the streets.
this has a preventive role and fair. we are not like europeans which sentence a mass murderer who has killed 50 innocent people in the streets only for 25 years in the prison ! this is unfair and unjust.

And there is for you in legal retribution [saving of] life, O you [people] of understanding, that you may become righteous. -Koran 2:179

with so much widespread violence, this is EU that should revise it's judiciary laws.

and Taliban, if USA had not intervened in Afghanistan we would have helped Afghans to get rid of that forever. what now !?
the production of narcotics has boosted to moon and we have to put walls on our borders to prevent drug smuggling from east to west and entering of suicide bombers !!!

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well you assume that people are angry when mass murderers or controversial rapers are executed in the public.

I am not assuming that at all. If no one is angry, then they are the same type of animals that are stringing these people up for having sex.

The 16 year old girl raped no one. She had sex, or was herself raped. Plenty of people have been hung from cranes in Iran.....and they were not rapists or murderers.

Why this method? They raise them up with the noose around their neck so that they strangle. That is a very slow and painful means to execute someone.

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by maes2

 

I am not assuming that at all. If no one is angry, then they are the same type of animals that are stringing these people up for having sex.
The 16 year old girl raped no one. She had sex, or was herself raped. Plenty of people have been hung from cranes in Iran.....and they were not rapists or murderers.
Why this method? They raise them up with the noose around their neck so that they strangle. That is a very slow and painful means to execute someone.

if you say evangelists are executing people just because of having sex in USA ! I would believe that. but Islam is very open to natural sex.
no one is executed just for having sex or simple adultery or fornication or homosexual sex.
and that mentally retarded 16 year old girl who got execution, that was definitely contrary to Sharia. the judge made a very big mistake. and I do not know why the judiciary system did not prevent that.
execution for sexual crimes has very hard necessary conditions. and it makes them rare.
no one would be glad that an innocent individual be executed simply.
and about the method of execution well I am not sure but it is still far better than electric chair.

Originally posted by maes2
when someone rapes, a controversial rape he should be executed in the streets.

Consensual homosexual sex is NOT 'controversial rape'. Not even close.
And to say that people should be executed for consensual homosexual sex .. that's backwards!

Originally posted by maes2
if you say evangelists are executing people just because of having sex in USA ! I would believe that.

:shk: You don't know anything about the USA. Thankfully, religious laws do not run the USA. Therefore, this NEVER HAPPENS. Idiots who are brainwashed by extreme religion can't write the rules in the USA. We have secular laws. Iran, on the other hand, has Islam as part of it's law system. And the fruits of that are clear ... ignorance and murder of innocent people by the government.

but Islam is very open to natural sex.

Riiiiiiight .. that's why the 'morals police' roam around Iran, beating women up who dare to wear sandals or who dare to show a wrist or an ankle. It's because Islam is 'very open' to natural sex.

By the way .. homosexual sex is natural. It's in nature.
People and animals are born that way.

no one is executed just for having sex or simple adultery or fornication or homosexual sex.

:shk: Yes they are. All the time. The documentation has already been posted here on this thread. For you to continue to deny the truth of it means you are either sugar coating to make Islam/Iran look better or you are unable to understand the facts that have been presented.

about the method of execution well I am not sure but it is still far better than electric chair.

You entirely missed the point. NO ONE should be executed for having homosexual sex, or for having sex outside of marriage, or for being raped. Hanging or electric chair or lethal injection or firing squad or WHATEVER .. they are ALL WRONG.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Consensual homosexual sex is NOT 'controversial rape'. Not even close.

and by rape I do not mean Consensual homosexual sex. Consensual fornication, adultery and homosexual sex is just Consensual and it is not in the public, in the streets, and there is no private complainant ! so why should they get executed !!! moreover even if they have private complainant that does not mean that they will be executed. execution is just the capital punishment. and there are hard necessary conditions for that.

Originally posted by maes2
:shk: You don't know anything about the USA.

oh USA is the great victim of media they have made you to believe that homosexuality is natural !
sexual pleasure is just one side of the coin the aim is to generate the next generation.
so much homosexual advertising is a danger for the society of USA.

Riiiiiiight .. that's why the 'morals police' roam around Iran, beating women up who dare to wear sandals or who dare to show a wrist or an ankle. It's because Islam is 'very open' to natural sex.

moral police is just moral police. people are against extremism and radicalism. anyhow there should be a red line. people can not walk naked in the streets in USA ! can they !!

People and animals are born that way.

oh no I am sure there is no homosexual animal in this world. if you mean worms or aphids ! the poor worms or aphids are not homosexual they have both sex male and female within themselves. so they are dual sexual !!!

:shk: Yes they are. All the time. The documentation has already been posted here on this thread. For you to continue to deny the truth of it means you are either sugar coating to make Islam/Iran look better or you are unable to understand the facts that have been presented.

they are tools not facts the same that they are saying that Iran who is under NPT is making nukes !!!

but Islam is very open to natural sex.

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Yes, as long as you are a man and your partner is one of your several possible wives.

if you say evangelists are executing people just because of having sex in USA ! I would believe that.

You appear to be in some sort of dream world, along with being in a state of denial.

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oh no I am sure there is no homosexual animal in this world.

You really need to do a little research.
It is out there, plenty of higher organisms(not just aphids) have homosexual encounters.
I have seen it with my own eyes. Dogs, bulls and horses.