Originally posted by maes2
Islam says women and men are equal because of their humanity but they are different because they have special roles as a woman and a man in the scope
of family. so family is the most important part of a society in Islam.
And family is the most important, most basic building block of society in Christianity as well. Don't mistake the cultural differences (ex.: women
working outside the home) in western society for religious differences.
Feminism says men and women are similar. and even worse because of patriarchal experiences in the west and or east (which I do not ignore that) they
think that men are superior so women should be like men to be superior ! and there is always a conflict between two genders.
however evidences show that feminism itself occurred in a patriarchal context. so that the industrial revolution could benefit from cheap workers from
Feminism is a support structure for western bankers and industrialists. It's not a religious more, and indeed is not tolerated well by many
Christians. Feminists don't actually believe men are superior, that's just an impression they foster in order to gain more converts to support their
when bedouin arabs were buring their girls alive just because of their gender and women were just toys in the Medieval and in many countries. Islam
came to recognize women rights of education, inheritance, economic independence.
Education? Like the girl recently shot in the head by the Taliban for wanting to get an education? You see, even in Islam some people will forsake
their religion in order to enforce a "morality" contrary to it, a social custom having nothing to do with the religion. Even worse, they will try to
mask that it IS only a social/cultural custom by trying to hide it behind their religion. No religion is immune to that when greedy and power-hungry
people grab the reins.
Christianity is no different - it gives rights to women which the cultural environment and people who seek after power will try to take away. For an
example of the rights and responsibilities the religion itself gives to women, see the description of "The Virtuous Wife" found in Proverbs chapter 31
of the Bible. Anything less than that is not of the religion, it's of the cultural environment.
God gave the prophet of Islam a girl (Fatima) who was respected by him a lot. and she would participate in social issues but with coordinates of
Sharia law. even Islam gave a right to women for some sort of voting what arabs would call it homage. so no one can believe that Islam is
ALL of the Abrahamic religions are seen as patriarchal, because of the patriarchal culture they stem from, even though the religions themselves are
not. People are failing to make the distinction between culture and religion.
Sharia law is a pack. people can not pick out a small part and judge about that. Islam is an improved ideology which it should consider all the people
in the world from centuries ago to now. so there are some general laws based on default assumptions. however as a religion it is far more than just
some laws. and it is coincident with the realities of this limited world.
I'm not entirely a stranger to Sharia law, but I AM usually confused by it. There are so many different rulings and opinions, sometimes contrary to
one another, that it can be a real mess to navigate, and the degree of micromanagement is beyond belief. Seriously -the size and shape of the body of
water to be drawn from for purifiaction? Is not the purification itself the important part?
Because of that conflict, confusion, micromanagement, and the fact that one can find nearly any opinion he likes if he just searches long enough and
for the right jurist to give the opinion he wants, I have to confess to being thoroughly confused when delving into Sharia.
for example one may say why men can marry four women but women can not !?
Basic biology - one man can impregnate several women concurrently, but one woman can only be pregnant by one man at a time. if large families are
desired to lighten the workload, it makes biological sense.
HOWEVER - I have always maintained personally, and still believe, that any man who thinks he can handle more than one woman at a time is an idiot. Get
several women all under the same roof, and it's like trying to herd cats. Yes, I have, and no, I never will again. I'm older and wiser now!
... and females have no duty regarding the economy of the family. and even regarding housekeeping or even nursing the child ! however they have
financial independence and they can spend their money anyhow they want.
Not too dissimilar for Christians, other than that women DO have an obligation regarding the economy of the family in Christianity - it's just a
different obligation than men have. See the above mentioned Proverbs 31 for explanation. Property ownership and personal money are also rights of
women under Christianity - although I've been recently told (by a Muslim) that they aren't...
one may say why muslim women can not marry non_muslims but the men can. however there is a little difference between sects but that is because Islam
considers family a society and every society needs a leader by default men are considered the leader of families in Islam.
But until the marriage is made, there IS no family to lead! It's the making of the marriage itself, how that comes about and what is "allowed", that I
believe needs some serious review.
this is for religious individuals so if one really wants to marry non_muslims she can convert.
That's true enough, but then it's Islam itself failing to guard her religion, rather than her chosen husband who might otherwise have guarded her
religion with his very life. Do you not see the problem there? Then there is also that pesky problem of taking the chance of being under the threat of
death for leaving Islam. Don't even try to tell me that doesn't happen, or quote the Qur'an about how there is "no compulsion in religion". I've seen
it myself, first hand. the threat is real, and does exist.
and it is said that minorities are dhimmitudes in Iran. no world has changed. nowadays nationality is an identity so they are not dhimmitudes, they
are Iranians. all of them should participate in wars and defense and governing issues so they should not pay Jazya.
That is very forward thinking, and I commend you for it!
edit on 2012/12/8 by nenothtu because: (no reason given)