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posted on Nov, 26 2012 @ 04:21 PM
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These events seem to be a prelude to the beginning of another conflict! What i feel from this is total disgust!
Disgust of our nature to bring about an end to many lives! Disgust in the ideology to accept the primitive
impulse to destroy instead of nurture, to conquer instead of protect and to demoralize instead of encourage!

This world seems destined to enter into a final fight!Is it the nature of human beings to be confrontational even at the possibility of self destruction? I believe when one of these nations with nuclear capabilities ends up getting backed into a corner, we will see the use of nuclear weapons which will unleash a conflict which there will be no turning back from! I am only on the side of peace and unity! I believe we need to forgive all past transgressions and to gain understanding of each other! I realize that there are many people who are unable to forgive, as i also see those that are unwilling to relinquish the power they possess over the ignorant! Until humanity evolves beyond menial contempt of each other, we will walk the edge of the cliff!
Open your eyes and see the light of human kindness before hate fills our soul with darkness and reins destruction
on those that are most important to you! only by forgiveness, understanding and unity will we overcome that which ensues us to destroy each other!
Revelation Ch.6 verse.4 Another horse came forward, a red one. It's rider was was given the power to rob the earth of peace by allowing men to slaughter one another. For this he was given a huge sword.




posted on Nov, 26 2012 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by JiggyPotamus
The first thing I am wondering is why would warships be needed for evacuations, unless there was the possibility of conflict?


It is a contingency operation. The Black Sea Task Force is deploying for international anti-piracy operations and is waiting to transit the Suez Canal. The Russians have a duty of care to their citizens in the region and also to participate in a possible international humanitarian role. If the ceasefire broke when the vessels were in proximity to the region then they could be tasked for the humanitarian evacuation role. Any military commander in the same position would task their assets accordingly while they are in the region.

No different to having a contingency plan in place to evacuate the base in Tartus, Syria if required. This summer the Russian vessels put the contingency plan in place with the deployment of large landing ships from the Black Sea Fleet.

en.ria.ru...


If Israel attacks an Iranian ship in international waters, I believe Russia has a moral obligation to retaliate.


Russia isn't going to get involved in any such hostilities between Iran and Israel. Seriously you are living in fantasy land if you think Russia is going to retaliate or get involved in such a scenario. Their forces and any other nations military vessels in the area would limit themselves to search and rescue and aid to mariners in distress.



posted on Nov, 26 2012 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by ErEhWoN
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Hello TommyJo, so cool to be able to read someone that has their ears on the actual transmissions from the Russian fleet.

Hear anything from the HMS Illustrious or HMS Bulwark. Or even the Charles de Gaulle?

Or do they rely exclusively on SatComs?

i hadn't read anything in past week or so about their whereabouts.



No problem. Remember that the international weather is transmitted by the Russian Navy auxiliary vessels. The Russian warship also send Morse but they will not send open positional information. They use the Morse to send encrypted messages or set up other secure modes of transmissions.

See following website. See 'Networks of the CIS Navy' from the menu on the left.

www.astrosol.ch...

No point in them encoding international weather as it would and easy lead into that cypher for those agencies monitoring the transmission. During certain portions of exercises the Russians auxiliaries will cease weather transmissions to deny the positional information.

Major combatant vessels will be as secure as possible and won't be divulging their position in such an open format.
edit on 26-11-2012 by tommyjo because: additional info added



posted on Nov, 26 2012 @ 05:00 PM
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Yes I like your post, your head is well out of the sand and seeing what's happening around world danger spots, on top of the dangers you point out here, take a look at the link I have put? another odd thing is will you please take note of a DATE mentioned? yes odd that, 21 again.

rt.com...



posted on Nov, 26 2012 @ 05:26 PM
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Thank you for the link


I was unaware of this new technology Iran now has (since January according to the article). Iran may not be as well equipped as those who are threatening it, but it's doing it's best to prepare for the upcoming # storm that is coming their way. When is it coming I don't know but unless there are major policy changes from all parties involved and if you look at the already decided upon plans from things such as PNAC there is no denying that the goal is to have a completely controlled ME that is governed by Western Puppets.

Syria and Iran are the two major ones left.

I keep an open mind for the December 21st date but I try not to pay it too much attention since if anything happens it happens and there is not much I can do about it. War is most likely on the horizon and December seems like a possibility...there is also the possibility that nothing will happen and it will cool off like it always does...we must wait and see.

I hope somehow everyone has a change of heart and decides to choose peace and love instead of war and greed. Like that will ever happen though...



posted on Nov, 26 2012 @ 05:35 PM
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Yes I am an emergency planner and the things we are seeing are not sounding good for December I am sorry to say, we have a heavy restricted News Blackout on news from Iran and that area, the only things we are allowed to hear of are how nasty Syrian leader is to the BBC Muslim friends who get an interview every day, the news broadcasts never mention attacks that are made on Syrian government troops and people.
I am 100% certain from what I am hearing WW3 is months away rather than years.



posted on Nov, 26 2012 @ 05:36 PM
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It would truely shock the bejeebus out of me to have the ball start right on the DAY(dec21)........be that as it may maybe theres no moon that night either.....?
The close proximity of differing nations warships may be a tad unsettling, but this is no where near as crowded as the gulfwaters....and has open sea room aplenty to manouver.
The Missile carrying frieghter is a days old rumour i believe that is probably Debka propaganda or other....
Gaza is a horse of another colour....
I cannot for the life of me, figure out why the Isrealis dont simply built similar missiles and shoot them back into Gaza on a one for one basis......
The Gazans themselves would soon put a stop to hamas and every other idiot who dares launch.
It is plain that the Gazans would suffer far higher casualties and damage if this happenned they would in effect be shooting themselves in the foot every launch.



posted on Nov, 26 2012 @ 05:37 PM
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It should be up to israel and its allies to prove iran is developing nuclear weapons, not on iran to disprove it.

We all remember the wmd iraq was accussed of and none were ever found. Trace elements of chemical weapons hardely qualified a pre-emptive strike on the part of the usa to attack iraq, just after attacking afghanistan first. Which by the way, no proof of alqueda or talliban involvement on 911 in the states was ever proved either. To the contrary 5 dancing israelis were arrested but released, the twin towers fell on their own footprint by explosives, eyewitnesses swore they saw cargo or military planes because there were no windows on the plane, no footage of any plane hitting the pentagon(the worlds most secure building allegedly), all private video footage being confiscated by federal agencies.

Why the hell should anyone believe america or israel, who have attacked their own countries as an excuse to go to war, believe now that iran is developing nukes to be used against israel. When did the iranian leader even say he would use them on israel? Criticising a government is not identical to wishing it be nuked. Iran has said they want it for peaceful purposes and until solid evidence to the contrary is provided I think we should believe them.

Sanctions have been put on iran, much like on iraq, simply for badmouthing israel. Israel is so paranoid they even threaten lock up people who question how many people got killed in the holocaust when many honest folks simply dispute there was a planned genocide attempt against jews.

I don't support a theocratic secular government in iran, but I also do not support a secular jewish government for israel that treats palestinians as dirt and over-reacts to hamas aggression. Mainstream religion itself is the problem, as more people have died protecting their religious beliefs than for any other reason in history.



posted on Nov, 26 2012 @ 05:47 PM
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I also do agree that it will probably be sooner than later, but for the sake of all of us I hope we are wrong but the reality of the situation is it is all unfolding right in our faces so we would be fools to not at least consider the grave situation that is most likely coming.

The people of the Middle East will suffer the most, but depending how it goes so will we in the West depending who we piss of.

Just so you know, a lot of people on this site do not like it when we bring up these obvious possibilities, they call it doom porn or something similar, I call it factual observations.



posted on Nov, 26 2012 @ 05:52 PM
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False flag can be a two way street.Say they threw the first punch when you actually did so you and your friend could get more friends involved taking out the bully on the block and making you look innocent. But you have to make it look like the bully threw the first punch. Just my 2 cents.



posted on Nov, 26 2012 @ 05:57 PM
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False flag can be a two way street.


Yes it can be, it would be just as easy for Iran to say their ship was struck to finally allow them a justification for some actual hostilities, but Iran has nothing to gain either way as they are not the ones seeking war.

Please tell me what Iran has to gain with a war against the West?

Logic would dictate that IF there were to be a false flag, it would most likely come from Israel/USA considering their notorious track record of using false flag events in order to justify their ongoing agenda of world domination.
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posted on Nov, 26 2012 @ 06:03 PM
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I smell a false flag AND a trojan horse



posted on Nov, 26 2012 @ 06:20 PM
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I'm going to ask for some help from fellow members in this thread who know more stuff than I do about naval activities. I am very curious as to where this ship is. At the very least we can at least estimate where it might be if we were to trust the article. The article states that Israeli satellites verified this ship's departure last week but it does not say which day. So I say we give it a 3-4 day fluctuation on actual day of departure.

If the Cargo ship were to take the route that the article states it would travel through the Red Sea, Sudan and Egypt on it's way to Gaza. I believe it is supposed to end it's destination in Gaza or Sudan as the article is vague and is trying to add a spin on both options.

Would a ship taking this route need to stop very often for supplies?

Let's factor all these variables and see if we can come up with a decent guess as to where the ship might be but please make sure to include a 3-4 day grace period.

Honestly, I don't know how long it takes a cargo ship to make a trip like this but I have seen several members who seem to have knowledge about this type of stuff.

Perhaps some of you can help us figure out when to expect it in Sudan or Gaza, and that will allow us to have an idea of when Israel may be "forced" to take action on this ship as the sources say they plan to.
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posted on Nov, 26 2012 @ 08:00 PM
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Any one with a couple of shoulder fired missiles could likely start WW3 at this point.
Anyone with a small old submarine could start WW3.
To be honest a crying baby could start it.

There are just too many itchy trigger fingers out there on the bit of water and lots more itchiness on all the surrounding countries.

One thing is true, there will not be a second chance. Once this starts, Iran will fire everything she has in one massive launch. Sadly everyone else has to react to that.

I don't see this escalating out of control. It will simply happen, very suddenly.

The amount of conflicting reports will be unlike anything you have ever read or seen.

It will take a long time, weeks, to be in a position to separate fact from propaganda.

There will be many surprises in military strengths especially when Russia and China get into it. Also expect other flashpoints to go bang.

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posted on Nov, 26 2012 @ 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by pheonix358
Any one with a couple of shoulder fired missiles could likely start WW3 at this point.
Anyone with a small old submarine could start WW3.
To be honest a crying baby could start it.

There are just too many itchy trigger fingers out there on the bit of water and lots more itchiness on all the surrounding countries.

One thing is true, there will not be a second chance. Once this starts, Iran will fire everything she has in one massive launch. Sadly everyone else has to react to that.

I don't see this escalating out of control. It will simply happen, very suddenly.

The amount of conflicting reports will be unlike anything you have ever read or seen.

It will take a long time, weeks, to be in a position to separate fact from propaganda.

There will be many surprises in military strengths especially when Russia and China get into it. Also expect other flashpoints to go bang.

P


A conflict in the middle east never has not and does not equate to a larger global conflict. The Great powers have no interest in a global war. In particular Russia and China who have everything to lose and nothing to gain. Russia and China depend on Israel for military tech, they depend on the US to keep the sea lanes open so they can trade. While they like have people like Iran they can trade cheap weapons for resources it is not enough for them to do anything about it beyond complain and then cut a deal that they get trade rights with a new Iranian regime. Their are certain political and military realities that make a global conflict nearly impossible anytime in the near future.



posted on Nov, 26 2012 @ 08:11 PM
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Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by Alternative4u
 


Thank you for the link


I was unaware of this new technology Iran now has (since January according to the article). Iran may not be as well equipped as those who are threatening it, but it's doing it's best to prepare for the upcoming # storm that is coming their way. When is it coming I don't know but unless there are major policy changes from all parties involved and if you look at the already decided upon plans from things such as PNAC there is no denying that the goal is to have a completely controlled ME that is governed by Western Puppets.

Syria and Iran are the two major ones left.

I keep an open mind for the December 21st date but I try not to pay it too much attention since if anything happens it happens and there is not much I can do about it. War is most likely on the horizon and December seems like a possibility...there is also the possibility that nothing will happen and it will cool off like it always does...we must wait and see.

I hope somehow everyone has a change of heart and decides to choose peace and love instead of war and greed. Like that will ever happen though...


The only new thing i read was the Warship. The shabab 3s are great for targets that stand still but suck for moving targets. Its not new information that RT is passing off as new. I have been commenting on those for a year already on youtube.



posted on Nov, 26 2012 @ 09:32 PM
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Simply put - until HAMAS agrees that the state of Israel should exist then everything is mute.



posted on Nov, 26 2012 @ 09:47 PM
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I think both sides need to make a deal, but both sides want deals they will never get which is why they fight...no matter which side you cheer for or if you are on the fence it's easy to justify a bunch of stuff.



posted on Nov, 26 2012 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by MidnightTide
Simply put - until HAMAS agrees that the state of Israel should exist then everything is mute.


The state of Palestine should exist also.. Can Israel agree to that? Or are they killing palestinians on a regular basis to prevent that from ever happening?



posted on Nov, 26 2012 @ 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
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I think both sides need to make a deal, but both sides want deals they will never get which is why they fight...no matter which side you cheer for or if you are on the fence it's easy to justify a bunch of stuff.


LOLL I said both sides, there are like 5 sides... just had to clarify.

This is not a two sided game it is multi-faced.






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