Disclosure of the moon landing hoax.

choos

look the guy tells you how he came to the measurements, and the methods are very valid or do you simply dont understand it??

since you have resorted to attempting to discredit maths ill take it you admit you are wrong?

yet another hoax believer's sad attempt to grasp at straws.

p.s. and yes it is impossible to meddle with a bag that rotates and expands naturally in mid air.. unless you want to believe it was CGI?

p.p.s to further demonstrate how wrong you are about trying to discredit the calculations this video tells you where you can verify his measurements:

already been posted but i dont think you watched it since you are now complaining you cant verify the measurements, since in the video he encourages you to verify it yourself, you can count the pixels yourself, you can count the frames yourself to verify the height at the airtime.. he has stated all of it so that you can verify the measurements yourself.. yet here you are saying its too blurry and you cant verify the measurements..

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There is no way to measure the distances accurately!

You need a matching stereo pair to measure this.

Anyone who is blind in one eye will know the reason why.

Distance is measured by two sources - or two eyes - as humans and most animals - all use two eyes to get a perspective.

Height can be measured by one point, of course. But the problem here, is that height is interwoven with varying distances, at the same time. So even measuring the height would be a pickle.

There are more problems with it, as well.

turbonium1

There is no way to measure the distances accurately!

You need a matching stereo pair to measure this.

Anyone who is blind in one eye will know the reason why.

Distance is measured by two sources - or two eyes - as humans and most animals - all use two eyes to get a perspective.

Height can be measured by one point, of course. But the problem here, is that height is interwoven with varying distances, at the same time. So even measuring the height would be a pickle.

There are more problems with it, as well.

answer this for yourself..

does the PLSS have the same resolution as the rest of the video??

if the PLSS has the same resolution and the dimensions for the PLSS is public knowledge, is it not possible to give a good estimate of measurements? especially when it is so close to the reference points..

you dont even have to use resolution, you can use a grid as long as it is uniform..

are you trying to tell me this method of measuring the height of a jump is inaccurate because the PLSS and the astronaut jumping is too far apart???

DJW001

[Yes, you're catching on. Given the size of the space defined by the astronauts' motions the sheets of glass would be improbably large and the astronauts would need to pass through these panes of glass somehow, so, yes, it would be impossible, wouldn't it?

Glass was used for that specific special effect.

But glass was hardly the only thing used in special effects. Your point is irrelevant.

How can a bag appear to rotate, if it's an impossible feat to achieve? Because it IS possible.

Look at how the bag is flipped up. By a 'stick'. Who would do something like that, now? It's not really being thrown up, it seems to be 'launched' up. Imo. But no matter....

The effect of rotation is possible. The illusions I posted of 'dancing handkerchiefs' are done with very fine threads which are so thin, our eyes can't see them, even close up.

But to make the bag rotate in mid-air? That's the impossible part, right?

No. We know how to make it 'dance'. Now, we want to make it 'rotate'.

Rotation is done by choosing two opposing points of the bag, one on each side. The threads are attached at one end. The other ends go over to left and right off-stage.

Add two more points, and so on. This will make the bag appear to rotate naturally (at random).

I think his stick is a cue to the stagehands, sort of like a maestro would cue his orchestra.

Now you know that it really can be done.

choos
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oh ofcourse..

there you have it ladies and gentlemen..

the proof sayonarajupiter is presenting to prove that NASA absolutely could not physically land man on the moon is that Nixon likes to watch movies..

Nixon is an important part of the history of Apollo, choos. While NASA funded scientists were testing moon rocks they told us for DECADES that there was no water in the moon. Nixon wasted little time gaving away >100 of these fake moon dust souvenirs (trapped in acrylic discs or spheres), he made a big show about it by sending multiple waves of propaganda astronauts to Taiwan (you know, off the coast of Red China), What's worse (for you) is that these moon rock giveaways caused problems with the moon rocks inventories... later resulting in "extreme disagreements" during moon rock audits.



Nixon is, by far, more important to the Apollo program than either Neil or Buzz or any other astronaut. As you well know, Nixon was the president for each and every "moon" landing. Try not to forget that choos.

When Neil Armstrong went to Taiwan it was a military puppet dictatorship of Shiang Kai-Sheck, and America was pouring armaments into Taiwan, to keep guard against the mainland Chinese communists.

On December 28, 1969, Armstrong took a chartered flight with Hollywood actor-comedian Bob Hope to an airbase in Taichung to boost the morale of American military forces there. Source www.taiwaninsights.com...

It's a textbook example of a propaganda tour. The Soviets did it all the time! So why shouldn't Dick Nixon get some good propaganda, too?

Moon dust, Hollywood movie stars, astronauts, US military-controlled island, puppet dictatorship... heck even the vice president was there, Nixon's corrupt VP Spiro Agnew who resigned his office in disgrace! What a script!




Why don't you stop eating that Apollo junk food and dig into the real meat & potatoes of Apollo.... the real Apollo narrative is... propaganda all the time... on TV, in the magazines, foreign visits, newspaper headlines, you even have a guy named Frank Shakespeare running Nixon's USIA, you know, the propaganda bureau of the United States government...

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SayonaraJupiter
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edit on 11/30/2013 by SayonaraJupiter because: (no reason given)

Of course it was great PR no other country landed man on the moon.So it surprizes you that they thought this was a victory for democracy? Your supposed to be proving that the moon hoax was faked showing it had public relations isnt some astounding revelation. Everyone knows NASA has a public relations department and oddly apparently only to you there job is to get people interested in space it is part of their mission.So thanks for the obvious why not post something proving they didnt go to the moon instead of useless history lessons with only half truths.

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why not post something proving they didnt go to the moon instead of useless history lessons with only half truths.

Each mission is taken on it's own merits, Dragon. Please be specific when you say "they" went to the moon.

If you want to say Apollo 12 went to the moon then you can show us some faces from the 14 magazines of Apollo 12, correct? Neil & Buzz took pictures of themselves on A11, and A13 did the same.

I looked. There aren't any human faces in the Apollo 12 Hasselblad 70mm image catalogs.
www.lpi.usra.edu...

So you say Conrad, Bean and Gordon went to the "moon" in December of 1969, they took with them 7 Hasselblad cameras, they came back with not one single image of their own faces, none in cislunar space, none in the command module, none in the lunar module, none while landed or orbiting the moon. The Apollo 12 astronauts claimed they went but didn't take any pictures of themselves in space, this is a serious continuity problem in the overall Apollo 12 myth narrative.

That's not useless history, that's factually what happened.

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


the amount of pictures that were taken on those missions was incredible if you divide it by the minutes that they were there snap happy i would say but can you see what i see in the visor ?? a ghost maybe

I want to believe it was real. In the 70s and 80s I worked at a bank in Wapakoneta, OH which is Neil Armstrong's home town. I had a meeting with the bank president. Lo and behold, out of the money vault he brought moon rocks and a miniature golden LEM. WOW!

reply to post by ppk55


The truth is that the Armstrong landing on the moon did happen but the pictures & action photos occurred in the U.K. on a sound stage directed by the Director of the "SPACE 2001" , Stanley Kubrick using CIA volunteers.
Nixon ordered the making of the false landing in case something went wrong with the mission the U.S. could say we got there but the "incident" happened on the way back. (Remember the Russians could see and hear our Apollo missions just as we could see and hear theirs.)
Nixon was very concern that if something went wrong we would look like total failures & on his watch so he ask Kissinger to take care of it.
Kissinger got Cheney & Rumsfeld involved to go to Kubrick and ask him to do it.
Kubrick refused at first but said they could use his sets and technology.
Kissinger explained that the film was backup to the possibility of camera failure when Armstrong actually stepped on the surface. Kubrick came around and directed the filming.
All character were volunteer CIA, unmarried, deep op types, sworn to secrecy and were told they would be on foreign cases as their reward.
The filming completed, Kubrick never again left his farm until his death. All CIA personnel involved were assassinated to maintain secrecy. Cheney & Rumsfeld were rewarded with promotions, the landing was perfect and all lived happly ever after.

By the film having flaws (maybe on purpose by Kubrick) it was assumed that the mission was a fake.

THE MISSION WAS NOT A FAKE, JUST THE FILMING.
LATER IN THE MISSION WHEN THE CAMERAS WERE SET UP ON THE MOON, THOSE TV SHOTS WERE REL ON MOON.

This information was verified by Mrs. Kubrick after his death.

F4Driver
This information was verified by Mrs. Kubrick after his death.

No, it really wasn't. That was for a mockumentary that he filmed.

SayonaraJupiter
reply to post by dragonridr

 

why not post something proving they didnt go to the moon instead of useless history lessons with only half truths.

Each mission is taken on it's own merits, Dragon. Please be specific when you say "they" went to the moon.

If you want to say Apollo 12 went to the moon then you can show us some faces from the 14 magazines of Apollo 12, correct? Neil & Buzz took pictures of themselves on A11, and A13 did the same.

I looked. There aren't any human faces in the Apollo 12 Hasselblad 70mm image catalogs.
www.lpi.usra.edu...

So you say Conrad, Bean and Gordon went to the "moon" in December of 1969, they took with them 7 Hasselblad cameras, they came back with not one single image of their own faces, none in cislunar space, none in the command module, none in the lunar module, none while landed or orbiting the moon. The Apollo 12 astronauts claimed they went but didn't take any pictures of themselves in space, this is a serious continuity problem in the overall Apollo 12 myth narrative.

That's not useless history, that's factually what happened.

What were you expecting face book photos. Why would they take pictures of themselves there on a mission not a vacation.Even the other apollo missions didnt take pictures of themselves just every now and then you see an arm.Whhy would they when they started doing live broadcasts. But because as usual you have no proof so you try to make people believe something is wrong. Well prove there were no astronauts on board apollo 12 should be easy. Surely you have some eyewitness testimony or proof they were somewhere else. I believe this is called evidence i know your not familiar with the concept so im going to help you.

en.wikipedia.org...

This is the worst "Moon Hoax" thread I have ever participated in. Sayonara, please come up with something new for a change....

SayonaraJupiter

Nixon is an important part of the history of Apollo, choos. While NASA funded scientists were testing moon rocks they told us for DECADES that there was no water in the moon.

they told us for centuries that the sun revolved around the earth also.. there is something called science and knowledge that we as humans are doing.

Nixon wasted little time gaving away >100 of these fake moon dust souvenirs (trapped in acrylic discs or spheres), he made a big show about it by sending multiple waves of propaganda astronauts to Taiwan (you know, off the coast of Red China), What's worse (for you) is that these moon rock giveaways caused problems with the moon rocks inventories... later resulting in "extreme disagreements" during moon rock audits.

these moon dust/rocks were proven to not have originated on earth, hundreds of geologists/scientists around the world have studied such samples..
even with the extreme disagreements in the inventory where did the inventory come from in the first place?

for you to acknowledge the extreme disagreement you also need to acknowledge that these rocks/dust originated from the moon..

Nixon is, by far, more important to the Apollo program than either Neil or Buzz or any other astronaut. As you well know, Nixon was the president for each and every "moon" landing. Try not to forget that choos.

who took those photos of Nixon?? if you cant answer it does it mean nixon was not real?

and actually no, nixon is not as important as the astronauts.. you would find that had Nixon lost the election they still would have gone to the moon, as they have spent alot of the money in R&D prior to nixon getting elected.

When Neil Armstrong went to Taiwan it was a military puppet dictatorship of Shiang Kai-Sheck, and America was pouring armaments into Taiwan, to keep guard against the mainland Chinese communists.

On December 28, 1969, Armstrong took a chartered flight with Hollywood actor-comedian Bob Hope to an airbase in Taichung to boost the morale of American military forces there. Source www.taiwaninsights.com...

It's a textbook example of a propaganda tour. The Soviets did it all the time! So why shouldn't Dick Nixon get some good propaganda, too?

landing man on the moon was a propaganda tool, to prove democracy was better than communism.

Moon dust, Hollywood movie stars, astronauts, US military-controlled island, puppet dictatorship... heck even the vice president was there, Nixon's corrupt VP Spiro Agnew who resigned his office in disgrace! What a script!

Why don't you stop eating that Apollo junk food and dig into the real meat & potatoes of Apollo.... the real Apollo narrative is... propaganda all the time... on TV, in the magazines, foreign visits, newspaper headlines, you even have a guy named Frank Shakespeare running Nixon's USIA, you know, the propaganda bureau of the United States government...

you learn from the best right??

this is what i see from your post:


nothing but propaganda, no evidence that man couldnt land on the moon, only propaganda and that nixon likes to watch movies..

p.s. who took the photo of Nixon in your avatar?? does this mean you dont know? does this mean you are blustering to answer such a simple question? so i must be on the right track right? Nixon, as we knew him as US president, didnt exist.

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Im very sure Nixon was a mobot. And Well lets be honest Kubrick wasnt a good director. His movies took forever to develop a plot and when they did you were often left scratching your head and trying to understand his vision. Only movie he ever did i liked was eyes wide shut but thats because Nicole Kidman was in it! Thats why it was a joke when they made the satire of Kurick faking the moon landing most people would get it but t amazes me how little people research. Heres a great question when did Kubrick make these hundreds of hours of video for NASA since he still managed to make other movies? And please people watch 2001 and then try to convince yourself he could have faked apollo. Even his fans rate that one as one of his worst movies right up there with spartacus.

Nixon in private conversations with Apollo astronauts:

nixontapes.org...

Not once does he say "great acting boys, we'll make sure no-one ever finds out".

onebigmonkey
Nixon in private conversations with Apollo astronauts:

nixontapes.org...

Not once does he say "great acting boys, we'll make sure no-one ever finds out".

Even a drunk Richard Nixon isn't going to say something like that on a recorded line - he installed that phone taping system! Nixon had been drinking pretty heavily when he talked on the phone to the Apollo 17 crew on December 5, 1972.

The President seems to be misremembering the Alan Shepard golf shot scene from the Apollo 14 script... NIXON: "And your walking, hit the golf ball, several hundred yards?"

NIXON: "When you get back I'll give you free golf balls just as a reminder. Ok?"

NIXON: "We know it's going to be a great mission."

How did Nixon know that? Was the Apollo 17 production already wrapped up, was the film was already in the can? Had Nixon had already screened it?

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for you to acknowledge the extreme disagreement you also need to acknowledge that these rocks/dust originated from the moon..

No, I don't think that I do. The audit, in this case, was an inventory of materials, an audit does not scientifically confirm or refute the claimed origins of those materials. The extreme disagreements refer to the audit and inventories only. No doubt the inventories were manipulated by NASA to cover up the fact that they didn't have 842 pounds of lunar material. Just like NASA conveniently lost the 700+ boxes of telemetry tapes.

NASA has complete control of the main body of evidence for Apollo : moon rocks, telemetry tapes, film negatives.

The moon rock inventories are questionable. The telemetry tapes are missing, and NASA/ASU are removing the cross hairs from Apollo Hasselblad images. That's what I mean by controlling the evidence.

This is why NASA goes ape-crazy when the little old granny had a rice-sized speck of moon.

Joann Davis, 74-Year-Old Grandmother, Terrified In NASA Moon Rock Sting
Source www.huffingtonpost.com...

What does moon rock investigator Joseph Gutheinz, Joseph Gutheinz, a University of Phoenix instructor and former NASA investigator who has spent years tracking down missing moon rocks, have to say about NASA's moon rock record keeping????

But if we did such a poor job of safeguarding (lunar samples,) I cannot fault that person."

it now appears there are unknown numbers of much smaller pieces circulating in the public. Some of these may have been turned into paperweights and informally given away by NASA engineers.

So the former NASA investigator confirmed that NASA engineers were stealing moon rock to make paperweights for gifts. Now, we know the real reason why there are extreme disagreements with regard to moon rock inventories... NASA's own employees, maybe even Neil Armstrong himself, have been pilfering moon rocks.

ColonelCarter
I want to believe it was real. In the 70s and 80s I worked at a bank in Wapakoneta, OH which is Neil Armstrong's home town. I had a meeting with the bank president. Lo and behold, out of the money vault he brought moon rocks and a miniature golden LEM. WOW!

NASA would consider the bank president to be a thief, even if, the moon rock was a gift from Neil himself!!

A miniature, golden LEM?? I know that Robert Maheu (Howard Hughes #2 man from 1957-1970) has described miniature, gold replicas of the Surveyor spacecraft, given away as gifts, which Maheu referred to as "HALO", or, Hughes Aircraft Lunar Observatory.

Anybody got any pictures of these miniature golden LEM's?

SayonaraJupiter

ColonelCarter
I want to believe it was real. In the 70s and 80s I worked at a bank in Wapakoneta, OH which is Neil Armstrong's home town. I had a meeting with the bank president. Lo and behold, out of the money vault he brought moon rocks and a miniature golden LEM. WOW!

NASA would consider the bank president to be a thief, even if, the moon rock was a gift from Neil himself!!

A miniature, golden LEM?? I know that Robert Maheu (Howard Hughes #2 man from 1957-1970) has described miniature, gold replicas of the Surveyor spacecraft, given away as gifts, which Maheu referred to as "HALO", or, Hughes Aircraft Lunar Observatory.

Anybody got any pictures of these miniature golden LEM's? [/quote

I wish I had taken a picture but didn't think about it at the time. Also they were not the property of the bank but held for safekeeping for the Armstrongs.

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