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Disclosure of the moon landing hoax.

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posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 08:57 AM
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turbonium1

You say...

"..in order to accurately portray lunar gravity on earth, you need to slow it down 2.45times.. "

So why don't you show us how accurate the Mythbusters jump is when it's 2.45 times slower? Then, you can educate me on how much better it is than at Jarrah's 67% speed!! I can't wait to see it...


the reason why jarrah made up his 66/67% is because he knows that speeding up lunar footage 2.45x will not resemble human movement..

so he made up 66/67%.. if you speed up all lunar footage 1.5x you will find that all free falling objects are being affected by gravity that is lower than earths.. that goes for ALL FREE FALLING OBJECTS including the dust, the apollo 12 SEQ bay accidental pendulum swing and the hammer and feather drop experiment.

so if we were to assume that jarrah was correct it would mean NASA filmed the lunar surface videos somewhere that is not on earth and not on the moon.


But you won't do it, right?


i dont have the software.. why dont you do it.


Why did he even throw the bag away? To be the first man to leave litter on the moon? Looked like a good idea at the time?

I'm joking, but it's very odd to me..


because it was in the way.. if you are worried about littering on the moon then i have some bad news for you..


Have you ever seen this done....before?

I have. I've seen several variations of it, in fact.

Any idea, yet?

It is a standard illusion. A magician's trick.

A paper that seems to swoop all over the place, and no strings are seen..not even when you're close!!

The 'Apollo spinning bag' is just another variation of the same basic trick. An illusion.

Many versions of this trick might be available online...if you want to see exactly what I mean.


you will need to show me.. show me a free falling bag/paper and freely rotating expanding on rotation that is supposedly being controlled with ropes..

the keywords are freely rotating and expansion..
edit on 23-11-2013 by choos because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 12:25 PM
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turbonium1
...Why did he even throw the bag away? To be the first man to leave litter on the moon? Looked like a good idea at the time?

I'm joking, but it's very odd to me...


I hate to tell you, but each Apollo mission left a lot of litter behind.

To save weight of liftoff from the moon, astronauts left behind:

- Plastic bags holding their own urine and feces waste
- Empty plastic bags for human waste and vomit
- The backpacks from the astronaut's spacesuits (PLSS packs)
- Cameras
- Unused film
- TV cameras
- Wires and cables
- Metal storage tubes and other assorted canisters
- Packing material
- Boot covers
- Hammers
- Other miscellaneous items




edit on 11/23/2013 by Soylent Green Is People because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 02:03 PM
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I think you might want to see this.



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 02:15 PM
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Perhaps you can comment on the argument that an inability to name the person who took a photograph renders the subject a hoax. If the Apollo 12 photograph is a hoax because the photographer's name is not known, doesn't that render Richard Nixon a hoax because we do not know the name of the photographer who took his picture?


Nixon was never in cislunar space!! Comparing any picture of Nixon with AS12-50-7362?? That's another attempt at stacking the cards in a poker game.

The Apollo Defenders have been clinging to a pair of dirty windows for dozens of pages now... who snapped the 7362 image? If Defenders have no answers... and no sources... that is a no win scenario.




posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 03:05 PM
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Ok this is funny dirty windows this is your proof the moon hoax was faked? Really your down to dirty windows? Ok since you show a sever lack of knowledge on Apollo let me explain those to you? In the Apollo program they had to release the lunar module and re dock with it in space. When the docking procedure is complete they have to warm up the LM what your seeing is condensation much like when you take a shower and look at your mirror. And just like a mirror it goes away when the window warms up. So the windows were not dirty and could be used in fact were used when the LM landed on the moon.

So put your ace back up your sleeve where you got it from and try coming up with some real arguments with a thing we call evidence.



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 04:09 PM
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SayonaraJupiter
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Perhaps you can comment on the argument that an inability to name the person who took a photograph renders the subject a hoax. If the Apollo 12 photograph is a hoax because the photographer's name is not known, doesn't that render Richard Nixon a hoax because we do not know the name of the photographer who took his picture?


Nixon was never in cislunar space!! Comparing any picture of Nixon with AS12-50-7362?? That's another attempt at stacking the cards in a poker game.

The Apollo Defenders have been clinging to a pair of dirty windows for dozens of pages now... who snapped the 7362 image? If Defenders have no answers... and no sources... that is a no win scenario.



No. You think you have found something. You haven't. You think you have a winning hand. You have nothing.

The picture of Earth was taken at around 03:00 on 15/11/69 in cislunar space. The photograph can only have been take at that time because the terminator line shows what time it was, and the patterns of clouds visible show what date it was. The configuration of the terminator shows that the Earth was being viewed from cislunar space and not Earth orbit. The signal is about to be handed over to Honeysuckle Creek, which matches what can be seen in the photograph.

At the time the photograph was taken 3 astronauts were on their way to the moon. At around my suggested time for the photograph the LM is about to be re-entered by Conrad and Bean. They all discuss Earth photography in the technical debrief. Photographs are available of two of those men on the moon, and those photographs show craters and rocks that were not previously known to exist.

During the launch, 2 of the CSM's windows were observed to have staining on them, and this is believed to have come from the separation of the launch escape tower. 3 other windows had no staining. The windows in the LEM were similarly unstained. Photographs of the fouled windows were taken some time after 02:15 on the 16th, as this is when discussions on the photographs were held between the crew and Houston. Conrad describes the windows in detail. Gordon receives the photography instructions some time later.

Any evidence you have that disproves the presence of Gordon, Conrad and Bean in cislunar space at the time I suggest for it, then feel free to produce it. One of those 3 took the photograph. Prove otherwise.

Actual evidence, not made up evidence and "Nixon blah blah blah Hughes Blah Blah Blah...". Sources. Links. Relevant material.



posted on Nov, 23 2013 @ 04:19 PM
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The Apollo Defenders have been clinging to a pair of dirty windows for dozens of pages now...


Actually, you are the one who has been clinging to the dirty windows, in lieu of anything relevant to say.


who snapped the 7362 image?


One of the three astronauts in the spacecraft. It certainly wasn't a half ton robot!


If Defenders have no answers... and no sources... that is a no win scenario.


Even when we have answers, sources and common sense, you never acknowledge that you have been beaten. You claim to be playing high stakes poker, but all you are actually playing is Go Fish!
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posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 02:37 AM
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choos

the reason why jarrah made up his 66/67% is because he knows that speeding up lunar footage 2.45x will not resemble human movement..


No, the reason he used 66/67% speed is because it matches up superbly with Young's jump. He had no reason to think it should be 2.45x slower. That nonsense stems from your pro-Apollo side..


choos

if you speed up all lunar footage 1.5x you will find that all free falling objects are being affected by gravity that is lower than earths.. that goes for ALL FREE FALLING OBJECTS including the dust, the apollo 12 SEQ bay accidental pendulum swing and the hammer and feather drop experiment.


Why do you assume they are all "free falling objects" to begin with? I've just shown you 'free falling objects' that were all illusions!!

It's the astronauts movements which match to 66/67% speed...or in the case of Apollo 11, to 50% speed.



choos

i dont have the software.. why dont you do it.


Because 2.45x is not my claim, perhaps?


choos

because it was in the way.. if you are worried about littering on the moon then i have some bad news for you..


I said it was a joke, please don't try to make it into something else.


choos

you will need to show me.. show me a free falling bag/paper and freely rotating expanding on rotation that is supposedly being controlled with ropes..

the keywords are freely rotating and expansion..
edit on 23-11-2013 by choos because: (no reason given)



This version is performed by David Copperfield. The handkerchief flitters about, to and fro, in all directions...

www.xploremagic.com...

Here's another version, done by Paladino, starting around 2:30. This hanky has all sorts of 'free' rotation, as well as expansion/contraction...

www.youtube.com...

Another version, done by Lance Burton...

www.youtube.com...

There are many other similar illusions - such as flying boxes, cards, flowers, humans, etc.

I don't think the flying illusions are all done by the same method. But no matter - however they do it, they are all illusions of objects in free flight.

They also have far more complex movements than the Apollo flying bag does.

The Apollo flying bag is just a different version of a standard magic trick.



posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 03:01 AM
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dragonridr
reply to post by turbonium1
 


I think you might want to see this.


As I've just explained, you cannot make assumptions about the bag being in actual 'free fall'.

Put Mythbusters jump at 2.45x speed....I'm sure that would be good for a laugh.



posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 05:42 AM
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so that will be your final answer?? they slowed footage down 66/67% to fake the lunar surface videos??

i just want to make absolutely sure on your stance so that you are not able to back out of it.


I said it was a joke, please don't try to make it into something else.


yes you did.. but you also added that it was very odd to you.. so who is trying to make something of it??
edit on 24-11-2013 by choos because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 06:01 AM
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Did the robots wear rings and watches I wonder?

Dave Scott from Apollo 15 was the only one to wear a ring on his left hand, and it can be seen in this photograph of the moon that could not have been taken from Earth. Photographs earlier in this magazine feature images of Earth that can be dated, as well as astronauts on the lunar surface.



AS15-88-12004



posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 09:44 PM
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turbonium1

This version is performed by David Copperfield. The handkerchief flitters about, to and fro, in all directions...

www.xploremagic.com...

Here's another version, done by Paladino, starting around 2:30. This hanky has all sorts of 'free' rotation, as well as expansion/contraction...

www.youtube.com...

Another version, done by Lance Burton...

www.youtube.com...

There are many other similar illusions - such as flying boxes, cards, flowers, humans, etc.

I don't think the flying illusions are all done by the same method. But no matter - however they do it, they are all illusions of objects in free flight.

They also have far more complex movements than the Apollo flying bag does.

The Apollo flying bag is just a different version of a standard magic trick.



btw i asked for a FREELY ROTATING object.. that handkercheif, that flying rose, never once rotated and maintained its "upright" orientation..

if you paid attention to the videos of objects being thrown on the lunar surface you will find that most of them rotate more than 360 degrees about an axis, they are not thrown without rotating at all, all the videos you posted to prove your illusion theory shows the floating objects are not rotating..

did you know why i said the keywords were free rotating and expansion?? i guess not because you clearly ignored it and posted those videos.



posted on Nov, 24 2013 @ 10:32 PM
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turbonium1

No, the reason he used 66/67% speed is because it matches up superbly with Young's jump. He had no reason to think it should be 2.45x slower. That nonsense stems from your pro-Apollo side..

Why do you assume they are all "free falling objects" to begin with? I've just shown you 'free falling objects' that were all illusions!!

It's the astronauts movements which match to 66/67% speed...or in the case of Apollo 11, to 50% speed.


im too impatient to wait for your reply.. so this is good enough, since you are absolutely convinced that they used 66/67% movement and now you cannot back out of this statement.. here you have clearly stated that the astronauts movements match 66/67% speed except for apollo 11 which is at 50% speed.. this following video will show lunar dust which is kicked up and used to calculate the lunar gravity of 1.62m/s^2.



its already been established that regardless of whether they faked it or not, it is presented to be at 1.62m/s^2 acceleration due to gravity..

so i can use his numbers to calculate the real gravity on earth if this was slowed at 66/67%.. which means the time taken should be reduced by 1.501x

the guy worked out a height of 1.25m and a time of 1.24seconds.. 1.501times faster than 1.24 is 0.826seconds.

gravity = 2h/t^2
gravity on earth (according to the 66/67% jarrah/turbonium theory) = 2x1.25/0.826^2
gravity on earth (according to the 66/67% jarrah/turbonium theory) = 3.66m/s^2

is the acceleration due to gravity on earth 3.66m/s^2?? or did NASA control every single dust particle in this video?? or did they film this off planet somewhere with 3.66m/s^2 gravitational acceleration??

dont back out of your 66/67% now, mathematically you are not from earth..

also the 2.45x is not meant to represent lunar footage.. it is merely mathematically correct, i didnt make up the maths, the reason it wont look real or match up (ive said this before) is because slowing down footage is merely an ILLUSION.

slowing footage down on earth they are still being affected by EARTH'S GRAVITY not lunar gravity.. you cannot use slow motion to replicate lunar footage.. 2.45x is just merely the accurate mathematically correct factor.

if you dont believe me.. 2.45x faster than 1.24 seconds is = 0.506 seconds

g=2h/t^2
g=2.5/0.506^2
g=9.76m/s^2

much closer than 3.66 dont you think??





Because 2.45x is not my claim, perhaps?




posted on Nov, 27 2013 @ 01:12 AM
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onebigmonkey
Did the robots wear rings and watches I wonder?

Dave Scott from Apollo 15 was the only one to wear a ring on his left hand, and it can be seen in this photograph of the moon that could not have been taken from Earth. Photographs earlier in this magazine feature images of Earth that can be dated, as well as astronauts on the lunar surface.



AS15-88-12004


By the way, I won that last hand (the Apollo 12 hand) now you wanna perform a switcher-oo and start talking about Apollo 15.

Part of the thrill of working in an Apollo thread is that topics move really fast.... for many pages we were talking about A12, the 70mm Hasselblad images and trying to figure out who took that 7362 image, the image that you ineptly used to build a poorly conceived bluff out of the crappy cards that you were dealt...

Apollo 12 is a stacked deck of cards. You always have to remember that Apollo 12 is a high stakes poker game played in one of the 5 casinos owned by Howard Hughes during Richard Nixon's presidency.

A15 and Dave Scott's ring??!!
Now you are really getting desperate because maybe you realized that Apollo 12 Magazine Q is a hoax, the images in Magazine Q were snapped by remote controlled robotic armatures designed and developed by Hughes Aircraft. Man, learn some history!
edit on 11/27/2013 by SayonaraJupiter because: make it better



posted on Nov, 27 2013 @ 01:32 AM
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SayonaraJupiter
By the way, I won that last hand (the Apollo 12 hand)


Ah, no you lost it badly - just like you have lost every silly claim you have made here.



posted on Nov, 27 2013 @ 02:54 AM
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hellobruce

SayonaraJupiter
By the way, I won that last hand (the Apollo 12 hand)


Ah, no you lost it badly - just like you have lost every silly claim you have made here.


Are you volunteering to play out this hand for OBMonkey? I'll take you on any day.

1. Which Apollo 12 astronaut snapped AS12-50-7362?

If you don't have an answer to that question then you can sit back down.



posted on Nov, 27 2013 @ 03:27 AM
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SayonaraJupiter
Which Apollo 12 astronaut snapped AS12-50-7362?


That must be one of the only truthful statements you have ever made here....

yes, it was taken by a Apollo 12 astronaut!



posted on Nov, 27 2013 @ 03:35 AM
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1. Who took that photograph of Richard Nixon in your avatar?

If you don't have an answer to that question then you can sit back down.



posted on Nov, 27 2013 @ 07:57 AM
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SayonaraJupiter

onebigmonkey
Did the robots wear rings and watches I wonder?

Dave Scott from Apollo 15 was the only one to wear a ring on his left hand, and it can be seen in this photograph of the moon that could not have been taken from Earth. Photographs earlier in this magazine feature images of Earth that can be dated, as well as astronauts on the lunar surface.



AS15-88-12004


By the way, I won that last hand (the Apollo 12 hand) now you wanna perform a switcher-oo and start talking about Apollo 15.

Part of the thrill of working in an Apollo thread is that topics move really fast.... for many pages we were talking about A12, the 70mm Hasselblad images and trying to figure out who took that 7362 image, the image that you ineptly used to build a poorly conceived bluff out of the crappy cards that you were dealt...

Apollo 12 is a stacked deck of cards. You always have to remember that Apollo 12 is a high stakes poker game played in one of the 5 casinos owned by Howard Hughes during Richard Nixon's presidency.

A15 and Dave Scott's ring??!!
Now you are really getting desperate because maybe you realized that Apollo 12 Magazine Q is a hoax, the images in Magazine Q were snapped by remote controlled robotic armatures designed and developed by Hughes Aircraft. Man, learn some history!
edit on 11/27/2013 by SayonaraJupiter because: make it better


You're making two mistakes here.

The first is assuming that you are correct.

The second is deciding for me what I was intending to do when I posted a different picture while getting bored waiting for you tyo post some sort of intelligent response. I'm stil waiting for that.

You have not 'won' anything. You have failed to provide any evidence that the Apollo 12 image was not taken by a human. This is the image you acknowledge was taken in cislunar space at the time and date that the evidence supports.

You have sidestepped, badly, the rebuttal made to you when you claimed there was no evidence of any people in the photographs in that magazine when evidence was provided of one. The only explanation you can provide to account for that evidence is some sort of robot that would have needed to be able to take still photographs through different windows, change camera magazines and also take live TV broadcasts. All you have to support that is your own belief.

The Apollo 15 photograph is more evidence of a person in space taking the Apollo photographs at the correct date and in the correct place. That is why I posted it. Feel free to provide any evidence that these assertions are incorrect. Your suggestion that I posted this as a deliberate diversion because I am somehow defeated by your feeble attempts at discussion is as laughable as it is false.

You do not dictate the terms of the debate, or the direction it takes. It is not yours to control. Start answering some questions and you might be able to accuse other people of not answering yours. Stop hanging on for grim death to a quesiton you think is a winner when in fact you have nothing.

For some more free-ranging discussion, try and come up with an explanation for this picture of Venus, and Mars taken from Apollo 16's CSM, for example. Saturn is just visible in the glow next to the CSM window frame.



Here's what Stellarium says should be on view at the time the photograph was taken.



My lack of supporting links for this image is deliberate. Do some research for yourself.

Come back when you have some answers.
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posted on Nov, 27 2013 @ 01:35 PM
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DJW001
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1. Who took that photograph of Richard Nixon in your avatar?

If you don't have an answer to that question then you can sit back down.


Whenever the Defenders get into a bad spot they bring out the ad hominem attacks, the card stacking, the glittering generalities, give each other stars, and congratulating themselves, relishing in their own ignorance of the 7362/Magazine Q dilemma.

I'm truly sorry that your team does not know the name of the Apollo 12 astronaut who snapped the 7362 image from the pristine, clean command module window. I was hoping that one of the big-brained Apollo Defenders in this thread would have some records to show who it was. Obviously, defenders don't have those records or they would have posted the records and this question would have been answered.

In light of the fact that Apollo Defenders have been stumped on this question it automatically means that the Apollo Defense Team don't have ANY records showing who took ANY of the Apollo 12 images in Magazine Q.

Try selling that to a jury of your peers, DJW, the assumptions you have made about 7362 and Magazine Q do NOT add up to a conclusion that Conrad, Bean and Gordon were in cislunar space.

In fact, according to the way the defenders have squirmed on this question it can only mean one thing : that I am on the right track with my line of questioning.



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