Texas Students Are Being Taught A False Version Of History

reply to post by alldaylong


Yes I believe property destruction comes up a lot with eco-terrrorism.

Has anyone heard the expression "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter?"

I can definitely see why some might be offended by this lesson plan, though I strongly suspect that in the context of a classroom, this may very well be used simply as a starting point for debate.

I personally find such debates though provoking as it challenges views that are taken for granted - and allows people to gain a fresh perspective. Strictly speaking, at the time, this event may well have been interpreted as a 'terrorist' incident by some. I'm sure that the point is to allow students to see current affairs and events in a new light, which for any rational-minded person shouldn't be a bad thing.

I know that Nelson Mandela, international statesman and arguably one of the most important Africans in history, was and still is considered by some (rightly or wrongly) to be a terrorist.

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reply to post by natalietruth


When my kids were in school,if something didn't seem right they came and told me.Even if they didn't think they were supposed to talk about it,I was the first person they came and told.I remember them taking a test for the government and they came and told me about the questions,(it went on for several days) and I told them it was none of the gov. business and not to answer.They thought they would get in trouble,I said nope,if the teacher says anything to you you just let me know and I'll come up and take care of it.They were not supposed to 'tell ' the parents about the questions.I think I would be sitting down with my kids and having a heart to heart with them if they are keeping secrets from you about whats going on in school.I would never have chose to do what the school told me to do over what my parents said.

reply to post by natalietruth


From the op's link

The controversial TESCCC lesson is a product of CSCOPE, a well known non-profit whose media centers that help teach the curriculum received $25 million in funding last year, according to TheBlaze. Supporters of the program indicate that the lesson hadn’t been taught in Texas schools since August 2010, but the lesson plan remained on CSCOPE’s website until at least January of this year.

According to the link this perspective is no longer being taught - and an alternative perspective is all that this is,

Let's face it, in today's terminology the founding fathers were enemy insurgents,
the Boston Tea Partiers were terrorists, and George Washington was the leader
of the terrorist organization's rebel force

We're being trained in the US to associate these terms with "bad guys" without any historical
context for reference.

For example, here are some famous insurgents...

Rosa Parks
Martin Luther King Jr.
Thomas Jefferson
Gandhi
Jesus

Depending on your bias, these people could be heroes, or villains.

It is strange that our curriculum would take this slant on history. For us here in Texas
it was always "Remember the Alamo". Those poor brave fellows who died in that
adobe fort....without a word about them being responsible for the theft of Mexican land
or the deaths of thousands of Mexicans...

reply to post by Josephus


Right.

Students' main lessons are memory retention and absolute obedience. The lesson in question, however, may be focusing on critical thinking and ethics.

reply to post by alldaylong


so throwing tea in the sea is an act of terrorism

This is disturbing for me. I am older and grew up through the Cold War years, served in Vietnam in the Army Security Agency (including 15 yrs in USAR and FL Nat Guard) and served a decade in law enforcement. I am not disturbed by some lesson plan espousing the notion that the BostonTea Party was an act of terrorism as much as I am about the notion that children would be tasked by their teachers to keep secrets from their parents! Those parents need to IMMEDIATELY get their children out of that cesspool and MAKE time to homeschool them. It is one thing for kids to keep mum about a surprise for a parent, classmate or teacher, but most definately NOT about what they were taught that day. We entrust our education system to teach our children the TRUTH as it happened and expose them to the fact that our modern perceptions and ideals can NOT be applied to "adjudicate" historical acts (or historical figures), especially when that adjudication is presented to direct our children toward a specific agenda. Specifically, one we would not accept. Why else shroud it in secrecy?
The Dept of Education is a bloated monster that professes to know best what our children should learn during their school years. I liken it to an upside down pyramid which rests precariously on its point with an ever increasing (and unsustainable) PC bureaucracy which will eventually exceed the tipping point and crash.
Terrorism does not apply to property. Sorry, but it is the threat of violence to innocent bystanders as a means to coerce others, usually a governmental group(s). Not teabags, not trees, not corporate entities nor any other non-human creature or contrivance.
The Boston Tea Party was most definately NOT an act of terrorism. Vandalism? Patriotism? Or just drunk and p****d off? All of the above?
We will likely never know for sure.

To use the term.

It is what it is.

By the way where do you think guerrilla warfare was first recorded being used?

We fought dirty. One man’s freedom fighter is another’s terrorist.

The story of the Alamo is historically incorrect.

The civil war they have tried to leave out the main reason it was fought.

As long as they teach history accurately I don’t care about the spin.

reply to post by Montana


Who knows according to Wiki:

Also of note is that the program requires teachers to sign a non-disclosure agreement which disallows the distribution of materials and prevents full disclosure of the contents of the program.

Like you say even Charlie Manson could be misquoted if he was just trolling at the time.

Originally posted by alldaylong
The inhabitants of the 13 Colonies where British Subjects. Therefore The Boston Incident was an act against "The State". Any such action can be classed as terrorism. I therefore cannot see why some people cannot see it for what it was.

There's a fine line between terrorism and patriotism, relative to which side you're on. The terms are really meaningless within the modern sociopolitical contexts they are used, but are emotionally charged to illicit either identification with or revulsion from the concept presented. In an "us versus them" mentality, "they" will always be the terrorists.

reply to post by ShaolinTemple


Exactly which schools in Texas are they teaching this? I just texted my niece and asked if she was hearing this in her history class and she replied "no...duh!"

Originally posted by alldaylong
The inhabitants of the 13 Colonies where British Subjects. Therefore The Boston Incident was an act against "The State". Any such action can be classed as terrorism. I therefore cannot see why some people cannot see it for what it was.

why?...because the word "Terrorism" in todays's language has an entirely different meaning.
if today, you had people jump on a ship and throw bags of coffee overboard to protest the high taxes on coffee, they would be arrested for vandalism, and destruction of property, not terrorism.

reply to post by ShaolinTemple



Oh but according to the present definition of terrorist, every person in the continental army was a terrorist.

It's ok because all versions are complete BS. We are in a world of blue pill consumers, who can believe any nonsense they wish. Unless we get out of the matrix, we remain imprisoned. There are no correct beliefs, just selected beliefs. This world is one place where we learn fast and hard and get out ASAP. Great adversity is a great teacher but it really sucks.

reply to post by ShaolinTemple


what i do is i review what ever my kid brings home from school, and if i find anything that doesn't add up, i set her straight, mind you she is only in kinder garden, but the thanksgiving story was mad, and im sure in the future this kind of madness will only perpetuate itself, so in the future we will be doing a lot of homework together.

Originally posted by ShaolinTemple
Whenever zombies see information like this they instantly realize something is going wrong. The future is in our hands as a species....

SERIOUSLY, WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT????

NOT ONLY IN TEXAS....IN THIS CONTINENT.....WE HAVE DIFFRENT VERSIONS OF ALL THE MAJOR EVENTS TRU TIME....VERY DIFFRENT OR INCOMPLETE.....FROM EUROPE OR ASIA..

Anytime I was taught about the Boston Tea Party is was with some sort of reverence...and I graduated a few years ago.

Is there any proof this is real? Glenn Beck isn't credible.

But the Boston Tea Partiers were technically terrorists. They were protesting a corporate tax cut.... All you right wingers would hate them now, and call them socialist garbage.