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reply posted on 22-11-2012 @ 12:54 AM by infowarrior9970

Originally posted by DrGod
In reality, they know that they could never survive a war with Israel.

why would you say that? maybe you need to do more research on that claims of yours.

its irresponsible disinformation.

innocent Israeli civilians could get hurt with that kind of mindset.

never underestimate the power of your so-called "enemy"

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reply posted on 22-11-2012 @ 04:05 AM by Shuye

Originally posted by infowarrior9970

Originally posted by Shuye

Link 1 - Hamas commits war crimes, launching 600 rocket attacks on Israeli civilians: Where's the UN condemnation? (November 6, 2012)

those rockets were in retaliation

600 of them?

of an Israeli helicopter shooting a 13 year old boy

Can you provide a link that justifies 600 rockets?

TELL THE TRUTH....if you are capable of that.

Share a link, if you are capable of that.

reply posted on 22-11-2012 @ 04:44 AM by christina-66

Israel has elections in January 2013......there will be no war with Iran but they will do their utmost to persuade their citizens that if there was, Israel would be victorious. That would largely be because even a sniff of anything otherwise would send all of those dual nationality Israeli's back to wherever they came from.

reply posted on 22-11-2012 @ 06:57 AM by mideast

wrong post

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reply posted on 22-11-2012 @ 06:59 AM by mideast

Originally posted by SimonPeter
reply to post by mideast

Iran ? Which Iranian people ? The people who oppose Ahmadinejad and Khomeini the radicals that killed more of their own people than Israel killed during this war .War is hell and when your enemy hides among the women and children like cowards and purposely puts them in peril what can you expect of Israel .
The Muslim logic is that of sociopath . Funny thing is that the West Bank is flourishing . Why can't Gaza ? The answer is Hamas .

Oh no .

Another informed person telling me what to see.

I am Iranian.

Don't waste your time washing my brain.

I am wearing a hat.

Yeah , Palestinians are zero threats to Israel while Israel is pushing it's hand to make them suffocate.

And If you think that we will sit and watch our innocent Muslim brothers being killed and refuged , well , think again.

reply posted on 22-11-2012 @ 07:12 AM by mideast

reply to post by SpeachM1litant

Firstly, Hamas did not break the ceasefire

To many people it is last.

They hear what they want to hear.

If it is not Hamas that has started the attacks , then they are not sure of what happened.

Many people have hearing problems.

reply posted on 22-11-2012 @ 10:53 AM by OperationIraqiFailure

Originally posted by Shuye

Originally posted by OperationIraqiFailure
I guess my post goes unanswered then.

Israel.....fired.....first.

My proof?! Of course:

Israel fired first
Notice, the first report on the bottom of the live update is dated

"Nov. 14th."

That's truth, staring you in the face, dontreally. I would love to hear your rebuttal, sir.

Lima-1, out.

If you insist, i'm sure you wouldn't mind i'm taking it from here (mind the dates):

Link 1 - Hamas commits war crimes, launching 600 rocket attacks on Israeli civilians: Where's the UN condemnation? (November 6, 2012)
Link 2 - Abbas: No justification for Gaza rocket attacks (November 11, 2012)
Link 3 - Under attack: 100 rockets fired on Israel in last three days (November 12, 2012)
Link 4 - Rocket salvo sparks Israeli warning to Hamas of Gaza offensive (November 13, 2012)

Should I provide more links? Or is it enough for you?

Yes, that's enough for me. I guess all I have left is this

Don't tell me you're not into history. Maybe you could educated me on what happened during the times of Christ, because I'm sure you have the full and accurate story on that as well.

Lima-1, out.

reply posted on 22-11-2012 @ 01:50 PM by SimonPeter

reply to post by mideast

I wouldn't try to wash your brain . It has already been washed to death . Next thing one of those really fat cat Imams will convince you to become a martyr . If he feels so strongly why doesn't he the Imam become the martyr ? Because he isn't stupid, it's just a job to him . He's not going to kill himself . Reminds me of that 10 year old that the coward radical had walk into Israel and was going to remote detonate .

reply posted on 22-11-2012 @ 02:01 PM by sonnny1

Originally posted by mideast

And If you think that we will sit and watch our innocent Muslim brothers being killed and refuged , well , think again.

When you talk about "brothers" and how people are treated, you need to know that many refugees entering neighboring lands, are NOT welcomed by the Governments, or the people of the lands. Full Citizenship? Not a chance. Maybe if refugees were not used as pawns, taken advantage of, then those brothers you claim, that have so much love for them, would treat them with dignity, and respect. Using them as Pawns, for an agenda, is sad.

Example:

Refugees are among the most vulnerable, marginalized, and disadvantaged people in any society. They endure traumatic experiences including arduous journeys that often affect their mental health and physical well being. They live with the insecurity that comes with being a refugee in a foreign land. They lack the legal protection afforded by citizenship and the traditional support structures and channels for recourse in cases of abuse or exploitation. And these woes become compounded many times over in periods of crisis—such as the upheaval that Egypt has undergone since the January 25 revolution.

Refugee Limbo

There has been turmoil forever in the Middle East. Refugees forever have been displaced.

reply posted on 22-11-2012 @ 02:06 PM by Shuye

Originally posted by OperationIraqiFailure
Yes, that's enough for me. I guess all I have left is this

404 Not Found?

Don't tell me you're not into history. Maybe you could educated me on what happened during the times of Christ, because I'm sure you have the full and accurate story on that as well.

Lima-1, out.

Honestly I have no idea, I wasn't there 2000 years ago and i'm not a big fan of mythologies. Besides, how does it relate to the topic?

reply posted on 22-11-2012 @ 05:59 PM by dontreally

reply to post by Tw0Sides

What Hamas could do, Compared to Syria and Iran is not even on the same Scale.

First, Syria isn't even an immediate threat, Hezbollah is.

Second, your point is moot. Hamas is still a threat. They managed to lob 400+ missiles in 5 days of fighting, 360 of which were intercepted by the iron dome

So, Hamas IS a threat which has been greatly diminished for the time being. Since Israel didn't agree to any substantial loosening up of the blockade they have on Gaza, it'll take roughly a similar amount of time for Hamas to regenerate themselves as it took after operation cast lead - which was about a year or so. This has freed Israel from the tribulations of dealing with a southern front. Also, Israel managed to deplete Hamas' rocket inventory.

Third, yes, Hezbollah and Iran are the major threats. I never said they weren't, and I wasn't comparing Hamas' capabilities to Hezbollah's, which, contrary to Hamas, receives regular shipments of arms via Syria from Iran.

reply posted on 22-11-2012 @ 06:09 PM by dontreally

reply to post by maloy

While Hezbolah and Iran sided with Abbas,

Both Shia and Sunni Islamists can agree on one thing: their hate for Israel. This is the one common denominator between them; otherwise, they are bitter ideological enemies. One advances Sunni pan-Islamist goals, while the other a Shia confederation of nations, from Iran, Iraq, Bahrain, Syria and Lebanon. So, Syria is a big issue, but nonetheless, that didn't prevent Iran from shipping Fajr 5's to Gaza along with Iranian specialists to reassemble them and provide know how for Hamas' terrorists.

But the relationship is not the same it once war.

It could never have been good, since they have both have distinct visions: the former is Shia, the latter is Sunni.

This makes them automatic enemies.

And you can also rest assured that Israel will not attack Iran. The best time to attack Iran has passed already, and it is doubtfull Israel could carry it out successfully without getting the US fully involved. US and Israel have only one hope for Iran now - internal conflict leading to toppling of the current regime.

Well, it appears my analysis corresponds with CNN's Frida Ghitis. Link

I don't think Israel is bluffing here. They really do believe Iran intends to pass off a nuke to Hezbollah.

The Arab Spring could logically lead to that eventually, but Iran will be different from Syria and Libya.

Don't get me wrong. I would much prefer that the Iranian regime fall autochthonically. But I fear that won't happen any time soon. In interim, the Iranian nuclear program continues unabated; and a window remains open for Iran to smuggle a bomb to Hezbollah before that window closes.

reply posted on 22-11-2012 @ 10:35 PM by SpeachM1litant

reply to post by SimonPeter

Words cannot explain how in-cohesive, incoherent and idiotic your post was. Firstly, it made absolutely no sense and I am not sure what you are responding to. If you don't know English or you do not have a high school literacy standard, please let me know so I can apologise for your remarks.

I do believe you're responding to the fact that Israel does not negotiate with Hamas. Fair point, Hamas has called for the extermination of Israel and it's charter calls for the liberation of all of Palestine. That is true, I don't doubt that. But in the 21st Century I think world leaders are far more pragmatic and practical than you think they are. They do not only take blind rhetoric into account.

Hamas has overtly hinted that they are prepared to accept a two state solution. They have also openly shown that they are prepared to remove from their charter that they intend to destroy Israel. That is why the Israeli government Muslim haters all love so much actually covertly negotiates with Hamas. However, it is clear, Israeli statesmen, who really do not want peace because to them peace is inconvenient, have not capitalised on this obvious opportunity in the same way more practical realists with not so much of a Zionist agenda would.

reply posted on 22-11-2012 @ 11:12 PM by dontreally

reply to post by SpeachM1litant

Hamas has overtly hinted that they are prepared to accept a two state solution. They have also openly shown that they are prepared to remove from their charter that they intend to destroy Israel.

I find it very strange that you're so eager to believe Hamas. Why do you give them the benefit of the doubt? Why don't you assume they are only lying for political advantage? Imagine. Consider the strategy they might be contemplating by acquiescing to a two state solution.

The real and fundamental issue blocking the way to a two state solution - as everyone knows - is the lack of Palestinian unity. Mahmoud Abbas does not preside over a unified ideological electorate; they are complete and utter opposites of each other. It isn't the difference between conservatives and liberals in western countries, in which both have agreed to abide by general formal principles; no, it's the opposite, one advocates a humanist secular society while the other advocates Shari'a law.

Anyone who cares to be called shrewd would be skeptical of Hamas' sincerity to really work with Fatah in a Palestinian state. Much more likely, what would happen, is Hamas would be elected "democratically" as they were in Gaza, and would begin to carry out rocket attacks from there.

Israeli's have no insurance of peace as long as Hamas exists.

Consider this hypothetical: Palestine becomes a state with it's capital in East Jerusalem. Hamas gains power; "rogue vigilantes" shoot rockets at Israel - from the perch of the west bank, which overlooks Israels economic heartland; what does Israel do? Do they complain to the UN? Do they go to Hamas and say "deal with this"? But even Abu Mazen doesn't even go after Palestinians who commit crimes against Israelis. How could Israel live with this?

To promote Islamism is to tacitly acknowledge that "yeah, I understand it means the end of Israel". Not only that, but you let Hamas become a player, and a ruling party in a Palestinian state, you can bet that with Egypt, Tunisia (largest party in parliament is Islamist), and perhaps Syria (if the Islamists elements succeed in gaining control of the country) - that gives them more than enough confidence and chutzpah to believe they can do what they want, knowing they have the support of their brother Islamist neighboring countries.

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reply posted on 23-11-2012 @ 01:45 AM by SimonPeter

reply to post by SpeachM1litant

My dear Muslim , my skill at English grammar is not what offends you . It is the truth that upsets you . Hamas is a Muslim organisation that is completely trust worthy . The world knows they can trust Hamas to lie , cheat and kill anytime they can . Hamas had a cease fire and the rockets didn't stop . All they did was to smuggle in massive amounts of new rockets . You are a fool if you think this thing is going to stop and that Israel is the aggressor . The seed of Ishmael will rule like a wild ass of a man , his hand against his brother and brothers against him . This has been a very good description of the Muslim .

reply posted on 23-11-2012 @ 02:09 AM by mideast

reply to post by sonnny1

When you talk about "brothers" and how people are treated, you need to know that many refugees entering neighboring lands, are NOT welcomed by the Governments, or the people of the lands.

I understood your point.

I agree that many Muslims and specially Arab Muslims don't care about others. But it doesn't give the Israel to take advantage of this situation.

Many Muslims are racist and they don't follow what Qur'an sayd , but at least they don't plan to take over other countries.

(Except crazy Saddam who wanted to take over Iran in 3 days)

There are always exceptions.

+ Muslims have many different groups since they didn't follow what their prophet told them to do.

Middle east has been the center of wars and center of attentions. There should be something done to eliminate the divisions , but despite all the divisions , we are all Muslims.

reply posted on 23-11-2012 @ 12:21 PM by OperationIraqiFailure

Originally posted by Shuye

Originally posted by OperationIraqiFailure
Yes, that's enough for me. I guess all I have left is this

404 Not Found?

Don't tell me you're not into history. Maybe you could educated me on what happened during the times of Christ, because I'm sure you have the full and accurate story on that as well.

Lima-1, out.

Honestly I have no idea, I wasn't there 2000 years ago and i'm not a big fan of mythologies. Besides, how does it relate to the topic?

Try this and get back to me.

Lima-1, out.

reply posted on 23-11-2012 @ 12:30 PM by rai76

Hamas Is stronger than ever, they have more support than ever after this war. If one thing is clear than it is that the power of Hamas is rizing, more importantly in the countries surrounding Palestina, with the help of Iran, with the help of Egypt and some others, a couple of bombs didn't change anything

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reply posted on 23-11-2012 @ 09:56 PM by SimonPeter

reply to post by rai76

Actually Hamas looks very weak and spineless . They hide under women's skirts with the children . Gates of Hell ? Really ? Why don't they actually help the Palestinian people instead of keeping the young people in a hopeless situation and desperate to lash out against their oppressors . They should lash out against Hamas . They may not be as stupid as Hamas thinks and have figured out that Hamas is the enemy .

reply posted on 23-11-2012 @ 10:04 PM by infowarrior9970

Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by Tw0Sides

What Hamas could do, Compared to Syria and Iran is not even on the same Scale.

First, Syria isn't even an immediate threat, Hezbollah is.

Second, your point is moot. Hamas is still a threat. They managed to lob 400+ missiles in 5 days of fighting, 360 of which were intercepted by the iron dome

So, Hamas IS a threat which has been greatly diminished for the time being. Since Israel didn't agree to any substantial loosening up of the blockade they have on Gaza, it'll take roughly a similar amount of time for Hamas to regenerate themselves as it took after operation cast lead - which was about a year or so. This has freed Israel from the tribulations of dealing with a southern front. Also, Israel managed to deplete Hamas' rocket inventory.

Third, yes, Hezbollah and Iran are the major threats. I never said they weren't, and I wasn't comparing Hamas' capabilities to Hezbollah's, which, contrary to Hamas, receives regular shipments of arms via Syria from Iran.