Originally posted by Beavers
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
Does he say that to Jacob or Abraham tho. If it was to Abraham, then he's not talking about the Nation of Israel, but the Nation of Abraham, which
would include all of his offspring, who also have as much right to their own plot of land in that area.
4 And command thou the people, saying, Ye are to pass through the coast of your brethren the children of Esau, which dwell in Seir; and they shall be
afraid of you: take ye good heed unto yourselves therefore:
5 Meddle not with them; for I will not give you of their land, no, not so much as a foot breadth; because I have given mount Seir unto Esau for a
Esau was the brother of Israel (aka Jacob, both Grandchildren to Abraham) and Mount Seir is well within the borders of your picture. There are a few
other people's along the journey in this map who Moses is told he can't have too.
You've used IAMTHATIAM in your reference too, so I'm assuming he actually did say it Moses, rather than Abraham, which just makes the whole thing a
massive contradiction . Where does your 'Nile and the Euphrates' quote come from again, just so I can reference it?
Yahveh made the land covenant with Abraham in Genesis 15:18 where Abraham's seed would inherit the land. The Israelites are part of Abraham's
decendants, as is Esau, but Jacob tricked Esau into giving up his birthright. What consists of modern Israel the land of Canaan.
The seed (decendants) of Abraham are those who follow God and his plan for Salvation through Jesus Christ and this is what Paul says of the oreal in
15 Brethren, I speak in the manner of men: Though it is only a man’s covenant, yet if it is confirmed, no one annuls or adds to it. 16 Now to
Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ. 17
And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ,
that it should make the promise of no effect. 18 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by
26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is
neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are
Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
So in essence Paul is not saying the land belongs to the physical decendants of Abraham, but to the spiritual decendants of Abraham who are in Jesus
Christ. Now this is not to say there will not be genetic decendants of Abraham added to this, because there were and there are to this day and there
will be more in the future as the prophecies declare in Hosea 5:15 and Matthew 23:39 which is the day Zechariah 11:10 fulfills and the jews turn
towards Christ and fulfills John 10:16 which is in refernce to the gentile people God took for himself during the Time of the Nations (Time of the
Gentiles). So, the land does not belong to orthodox jewery, nor to the muslim, but to the massianic jews and christians who have Jesus Christ as their
Savior. The 2 people become one through Jesus, no longer jew nor greek (gentile).
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