Originally posted by logical7
Just got this thought..
Assuming the theology of Jesus pbuh taking the sins of the world.
Was it necessary for him to actually die?
Yes because Jesus (pre-death) is the perfect embodiment of THE LAW: that is to say, Jesus is the one and only
man who ever successfully
approached God through the old covenant
: His "death and sacrifice" was the DEATH OF THE LAW in relation to the Christian. In other words, LAW
sacrificed itself in order to allow us to appraoch God in a BETTER way- grace. So you see, it is necessary for us to be released from "marriage to the
law" by DEATH, this is why this is written:
Ro 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is
free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Ro 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is
raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
For the "lawless" to be "freed from the curse of the law" they can either become immediately perfect (not possible yet, as we are imperfect in this
world) or we can kill the law
See there? When you see this "the Father" what it is talking about is the OLD COVENANT through LAW of sin and death; and "the Son" is the NEW covenant
through grace and truth. Jesus being the "only begotten of the Father" means that the man just is the one and only
"begotten" of the Sinai/Law
covenant. Now, by perfectly fulfilling this covenant, Jesus gained all the promises
of that "unattainable" covenant. Jesus then turns to us and
says, "Now that I have all power
THROUGH "the Father" I am making a NEW covenant with you, and if you fulfill this new covenant, then I will
give you everything I have"- thereby, we can "receieve" all of the blessings of the LAW covenant without actually ever having to DO those things
written therein because Jesus has become our "mediator" or "middle-man"; you see?
It's all about the covenants. And for any of you more keen of mind, you may be beginning to see a coming THIRD covenant; one in which the elect turn
to the rest of humanity and say, "Now, as Jesus inherited, and turned to covenant with us a new covenant, so we are turning to you to make a THIRD
covenant: this is why you'll see "good; better; best" replayed through scripture. Some bringing in 30-fold (good), some 60-fold (better), other
Compare Abraham pbuh sacrificing his son, he dint had to really do it, as soon as he submitted and had the intention God saved the
Qucik note here most aren't aware of (again, lack of Word of God in their minds to be able to correlate
: but Abraham didn't think Isaac was
going to be permanently dead in that account. Abraham knew of the Messianic promise THROU ISAAC that the Lord had made with him. He then BELIEVED that
God was about to make Isaac the Messiah: in other words, God promised that the Messiah would come through Isaac; then God said "sacrifice Isaac" so
Abraham deduced: "God promised the Messiah would be through Isaac- therefore Isaac cannot permanently die- else the promise is wrong: therefore, God
is about to have me kill Isaac and then he is going to raise Isaac from the dead to become the Messiah
So, people often wonder what Abraham was thinking when this "sacrifice your son" was going on, and "How could Abraham so willingly do such a thing?"
Well, now you know what he was actually thinking. Isaac was about to become the resurrected Messiah of the human kind. Note, if God wouldn't have
stopped Abraham, then Isaac WOULD have become the Messiah.
Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
So wouldnt God also save Jesus pbuh?
Acts 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
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