I'm Not Voting

reply to post by projectvxn


I suppose that most people would criticize you for sitting this election out, but I don't agree with them, given the issues as you see them. A lot of people who don't like either guy are voting against the guy they dislike the most, and with all the effort to demonize the opponent, that kind of motivation stinks of rewarding complete *ssholes for being exactly what they are - complete *ssholes.

Personally, I'd love to see a total bloodbath (electorally) against the big, dark anonymous money that's been washing through this election season, but that's just because I have my own issues with shadowy rich people and their fear of being outed as supporting whatever it is that they are supporting. It's the cowardice that galls me to no end. If they'd own up to being who and what they are, then I'd be okay with it. But, they're afraid to be tagged with taking a stand of any kind. I'd just hate to see that kind of cowardice rewarded with a win.

What we really need is 30 million young people voting by marching on Washington and dismantling the senate, congress, white house, etc. I will never vote, but I would join this march in a heartbeat, I don't have kids or a family for specific reasons.

oh dear, that was a grievous mistake. sorry guys.

Originally posted by jeantherapy
What we really need is 30 million young people voting by marching on Washington and dismantling the senate, congress, white house, etc. I will never vote, but I would join this march in a heartbeat, I don't have kids or a family for specific reasons.

edit on 6-11-2012 by jeantherapy because: (no reason given)

Star for posting the first suggestion for a remedy.

2nd

Originally posted by frazzle

Originally posted by Koros
reply to post by projectvxn

 

If Obama and Romney were the only two choices, you may have a point. But, they aren't. So, your moral grandstanding means exactly squat.

They are the only two VIABLE choices so grandstanding for third party candidates means exactly squat.

3rd party is only un-viable because every one believes that they arent. Its a self full filling prophesy.

To me this entire argument is like a family of people sitting around watching TV as if their the only people in the room, they all complain to themselves there's nothing on but none of them are willing to get up and grab the remote off the top of the TV since its to far away... none of them say 'hey what else is on?' and they all think to them selves the distance to move is to much of a hassle and no one else is gonna get up anyway... and hence the channel never gets changed. That is what an 'im not voting' person is in my mind. If your vote supposedly means nothing, at least use it so it means SOMETHING.

Apathy has never caused anything positive to happen. Given Americas track record for voter turn outs, you get what you deserve... the problem is, the rest of the worlds gotta damn well put up with the result as well. As some one else mentioned in another thread, if all the un-voters got out and voted 3rd party the 3rd parties would get more damn votes than the perceived top 2. Its threads like this and the comments it gets that truly make me annoyed at the American populace.

Originally posted by projectvxn
This is the first election year that I have legally been able to participate in as a new American citizen. I find it really frustrating and disappointing that my choice lies between two candidates that share none of the values America was founded on. Neither respects the Constitution and both have agendas that limit one set or rights or the other.

I am a gun owner.
I am a proponent of equal protection under the law for all Americans which extends to gay people.
I am a staunch advocate of free market capitalism and a fierce opponent of Socialist ideology and crony capitalism.
I support your right to put whatever you want in your body.
While I am strongly against abortion I do not believe that using the force of law will do anything but force it underground thereby creating a far more dangerous and vile system.
I am a proponent of scraping the entire tax code. I am for reforming welfare so as to make it available to those in need and make it impossible for those who wish to sit on their fat asses and do nothing. I feel the same about corporate welfare.
I am a soldier. I believe in strong and efficient military. I believe before we start cutting my salary we should probably see what we can do with all of these contractors first. I also believe that any country that thinks it can maneuver on us or our allies should be shown some muzzle flash. No nation building, no feel good political BS. We go in, we destroy, we leave. Period.

Basically I'm a Constitutionalist Conservative with a flavor of Libertarianism. Romney and Obama do not represent me.. So therefore I cannot cast a vote because it just doesn't matter.

edit on 5-11-2012 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)

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I absolutely love what you have said and what you expressed...and I feel exactly the same way, and have for some time now...You are my clone!!!

Originally posted by BigfootNZ

Originally posted by frazzle

Originally posted by Koros
reply to post by projectvxn

 

If Obama and Romney were the only two choices, you may have a point. But, they aren't. So, your moral grandstanding means exactly squat.

They are the only two VIABLE choices so grandstanding for third party candidates means exactly squat.

To me this entire argument is like a family of people sitting around watching TV as if their the only people in the room, they all complain to themselves there's nothing on but none of them are willing to get up and grab the remote off the top of the TV since its to far away... none of them say 'hey what else is on?' and they all think to them selves the distance to move is to much of a hassle... and hence the channel never gets changed, or they sit and wait for one of the others to go do it. That is what an 'im not voting' person is in my mind. If your vote supposedly means nothing, at least use it so it means SOMETHING.

Apathy has never caused anything positive to happen. Given Americas track record for voter turn outs, you get what you deserve... the problem is, the rest of the worlds gotta damn well put up with the result as well. As some one else mentioned in another thread, if all the un-voters got out and voted 3rd party the 3rd parties would get more damn votes than the perceived top 2. Its threads like this and the comments it gets that truly make me annoyed at the American populace.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. The smart one in the family gets up and turns the damn thing OFF. That's not apathy, it the only way for a family to start talking to each other about things that matter to THEM instead of listening to brainless talking heads and reality shows that make them equally brainless.

Originally posted by BigfootNZ

Originally posted by frazzle

Originally posted by Koros
reply to post by projectvxn

 

If Obama and Romney were the only two choices, you may have a point. But, they aren't. So, your moral grandstanding means exactly squat.

They are the only two VIABLE choices so grandstanding for third party candidates means exactly squat.

To me this entire argument is like a family of people sitting around watching TV as if their the only people in the room, they all complain to themselves there's nothing on but none of them are willing to get up and grab the remote off the top of the TV since its to far away... none of them say 'hey what else is on?' and they all think to them selves the distance to move is to much of a hassle... and hence the channel never gets changed, or they sit and wait for one of the others to go do it. That is what an 'im not voting' person is in my mind. If your vote supposedly means nothing, at least use it so it means SOMETHING.

Apathy has never caused anything positive to happen. Given Americas track record for voter turn outs, you get what you deserve... the problem is, the rest of the worlds gotta damn well put up with the result as well. As some one else mentioned in another thread, if all the un-voters got out and voted 3rd party the 3rd parties would get more damn votes than the perceived top 2. Its threads like this and the comments it gets that truly make me annoyed at the American populace.

This perfectly sums up this thread. TC you have the ability to help change the future of the country and world by voting, yet you don't just to appear rebellious. .

Originally posted by Cosmic911

Originally posted by projectvxn
This is the first election year that I have legally been able to participate in as a new American citizen. I find it really frustrating and disappointing that my choice lies between two candidates that share none of the values America was founded on. Neither respects the Constitution and both have agendas that limit one set or rights or the other.

I am a gun owner.
I am a proponent of equal protection under the law for all Americans which extends to gay people.
I am a staunch advocate of free market capitalism and a fierce opponent of Socialist ideology and crony capitalism.
I support your right to put whatever you want in your body.
While I am strongly against abortion I do not believe that using the force of law will do anything but force it underground thereby creating a far more dangerous and vile system.
I am a proponent of scraping the entire tax code. I am for reforming welfare so as to make it available to those in need and make it impossible for those who wish to sit on their fat asses and do nothing. I feel the same about corporate welfare.
I am a soldier. I believe in strong and efficient military. I believe before we start cutting my salary we should probably see what we can do with all of these contractors first. I also believe that any country that thinks it can maneuver on us or our allies should be shown some muzzle flash. No nation building, no feel good political BS. We go in, we destroy, we leave. Period.

Basically I'm a Constitutionalist Conservative with a flavor of Libertarianism. Romney and Obama do not represent me.. So therefore I cannot cast a vote because it just doesn't matter.

edit on 5-11-2012 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)

edit on 5-11-2012 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)

I absolutely love what you have said and what you expressed...and I feel exactly the same way, and have for some time now...You are my clone!!!

God help us if we were all clones of you, we would all be brain dead.

Originally posted by frazzle
Wrong, wrong, wrong. The smart one in the family gets up and turns the damn thing OFF. That's not apathy, it the only way for a family to start talking to each other about things that matter to THEM instead of listening to brainless talking heads and reality shows that make them equally brainless.

Some how I think you took my metaphor a little to serious and literal, it wasnt about the so called brainwashing of the masses by the media (but that comment of yours itself indicates to me the level of thinking of some people in this thread, maybe it might be a good idea if some people took themselves out of the voting come to think of it)... Im simply saying every one who isnt voting is saying they cant make a change and then they dont voting to even ATTEMPT to change it. That is what I mean by apathy.

Ok hows this one, youve got a hundred people standing under a broken light bulb.. and each of em are saying, man that needs to be fixed, but i just cant reach it, hey can you reach it? no me neither dang... and they go back to staring at the damn broken light bulb just out of reach.

Originally posted by Cynicaleye
This perfectly sums up this thread. TC you have the ability to help change the future of the country and world by voting, yet you don't just to appear rebellious. .

Thanks

There is a difference between apathy and principled abstention. I did not vote, either. Not for an elected official, anyhow. I did vote on select ballot measures.

I abstained because after informing myself and researching the candidates, none of them represented me or my beliefs closely enough for me to feel ethically comfortable giving them my support. This is a personal decision, is my right, and I would like to think that people could at least respect that despite disagreeing with it. Sadly, I have yet to see a single person who says they voted, tell me that they do.

I respect anyone who stands by their beliefs, regardless of whether I agree with them or not. I will not attack anyone for their beliefs, or for their views on voting. It would just be nice if people who feel the way I do could receive the same mutually. But to each their own.

Peace.

reply to post by BigfootNZ

Some how I think you took my metaphor a little to serious and literal, it wasnt about the so called brainwashing of the masses by the media (but that comment of yours itself indicates to me the level of thinking of some people in this thread, maybe it might be a good idea if some people took themselves out of the voting come to think of it)... Im simply saying every one who isnt voting is saying they cant make a change and then they dont voting to even ATTEMPT to change it. That is what I mean by apathy.

You're the one who made up the story, you just didn't like the ending. Oh well, you may not like tonight's ending either. Not my fault.

Ok hows this one, youve got a hundred people standing under a broken light bulb.. and each of em are saying, man that needs to be fixed, but i just cant reach it, hey can you reach it? no me neither dang... and they go back to staring at the damn broken light bulb.

We're talking about elections, not broken light bulbs, try to keep up. But one things for sure, they've already got the elecftion fixed, even if you're still standing in the dark staring up.

reply to post by Cynicaleye


Get in line then, pull lever, and continue to support the same tyranny that has ruined this country. Time to wake up my friend.

We can all be happy with what our government has become. All we have to do is get used to being nazi's.

Originally posted by mrnotobc
We can all be happy with what our government has become. All we have to do is get used to being nazi's.

Actually being the Nazi's isn't all that bad when you think about it.. First of all, we get to tell the rest of the world what to do. Since we print the money for the whole world, we can spend $11 for every $7 we take in. Sure on paper there's a huge debt, but it doesn't matter. We can print all the money we need to pay it. Since out military spending is 10 x bigger then all the rest of the world combined, we can tell everyone to kiss our ass anytime we feel like it, because we're the Nazi's, and they're not lol. It's true we make a lot of enemies, but that turns out to be very convenient for us, because our corporate military complex needs enemies to test out all our new drone weapons on. Even though we might have murder 5 women and children in a house in order to kill 1 terrorist that's 8000 miles away from us, it's worth every penny of corporate profits, because they're just barbarous animals anyway.

Yes from now on we need to learn to just go with the flow, and hope like hell there's no god.

reply to post by projectvxn


And you were severely missed.

Try to understand why others did though.

Good work, OP. Exercise your constitutional right to do sweet fcuk all and then spend "four more years" bleating from the comfort of your Cheetos stained sofa.

Originally posted by SucksMulder
Good work, OP. Exercise your constitutional right to do sweet fcuk all and then spend "four more years" bleating from the comfort of your Cheetos stained sofa.

How do you know its not Funions?

Originally posted by mrnotobc

Originally posted by mrnotobc
We can all be happy with what our government has become. All we have to do is get used to being nazi's.

Actually being the Nazi's isn't all that bad when you think about it.. First of all, we get to tell the rest of the world what to do. Since we print the money for the whole world, we can spend $11 for every $7 we take in. Sure on paper there's a huge debt, but it doesn't matter. We can print all the money we need to pay it. Since out military spending is 10 x bigger then all the rest of the world combined, we can tell everyone to kiss our ass anytime we feel like it, because we're the Nazi's, and they're not lol. It's true we make a lot of enemies, but that turns out to be very convenient for us, because our corporate military complex needs enemies to test out all our new drone weapons on. Even though we might have murder 5 women and children in a house in order to kill 1 terrorist that's 8000 miles away from us, it's worth every penny of corporate profits, because they're just barbarous animals anyway.

Yes from now on we need to learn to just go with the flow, and hope like hell there's no god.

well since bush started the nazi era by bringing down our own buildings to create a false flag like hitler and sign the patriot act, id say we were already a step towards nazism before obama was elected in 08

Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by projectvxn

 

And you were severely missed.

Try to understand why others did though.

I do understand. And I don't look down on anyone for doing so.

I made my decision.