reply to post by crackerjack
Good job to the crew of the HMAS Rankin!
In fairness, I would counter that a littoral scenario like the exercise depicted is the optimal environment for a diesel electric sub to operate .If
it were a shooting war while the Rankin got a clean shot it is still not a guaranteed kill depending on the breaks with passive and active
countermeasure employed by the frigate. (Oliver Hazard Perry-class?)
Sneaking in and snapping reconnaissance photo's is one thing, to have launched a weapon and gotten away is something else altogether. Torpedo's make
noise so what are their odds once spotted in shallow water with 4 ASW ships, an SSN and an aircraft in close proximity?
Part of the strength of the USN is its ability to absorb damage and still remain coherent. Even if the frigate were sunk, the sub has compromised its
stealth to a large, alert force and is just as likely to be destroyed.
The USN can keep replacing relatively cheap Frigates one for one a long time after Australia or China or anybody ran out of relatively expensive
Do you think that a USN Virginia class SSN could manage a similar feat against the Royal Australian Navy?
The popular retelling of the Type 039 surfacing in the middle of the CV-63 battlegroup as some sign of eroding USN superiority is flawed as well and
here is why..
What gets left out is the part where the Kittyhawk battlegroup had concluded well published naval maneuvers near Okinawa and were sailing in a
predictable straight course in a relaxed posture to their home port of Yokosuka.
Knowing that Carrier battle group's cruise at 10 knots faster than the maximum speed of the Song class sub it's clear that the Chinese captain got
clever and waited along the shipping lanes and caught them going by.
Good job to the PLAN sub captain, however in a wartime environment the CVBG isn't going to be announcing its itinerary or travelling in a straight
line. P-3's and Vikings would set up a sonobuoy pickett for 200 hundred miles and U.S.N. SSN's would team with Seahawk's to kill anything deemed
I have also read a rumor that the Type 039 was tracked for 45 minutes by a USN 688i SSN which wasn't mentioned in the press for not violate OPSEC and
tip our cards regarding PLAN ASW . Allegedly, it was made to be a bigger deal than it really was to generate congressional sympathy for the Dept.of
the Navy LCS program.
Lastly even if it were to have launched a weapon, just as with HMAS Rankin's attack, U.S. countermeasures are getting extremely sophisticated and have
performed consistently well against known Chinese anti shipping threats.
I don't see any great embarrassment for the USN in either the youtube video or the retelling of the Type 039/CV-63 story.
The fact is the U.S. and Australia are close allies and China has a long way to go to challenge U.S. Naval supremacy.
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