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Originally posted by liejunkie01
I see the UFO worshipers have came out in droves to belittle the OP.
Each and everyone of you are hilarious. You say he has no proof, but you come in here with no proof to back up your claims.
I am sure that 60+ year old hearsay and conjecture is still just that, hearsay and conjecture.
There is not one solid piece of evidence to back up any of your claims.
People in the 40's were ignorant to technology. They had outhouses and some were still without electricity. Mainly the folks in the country, which is where this incident happened.
They wouldn't know a top secret military project if it bit them in the a$$.
Does the military tell us what is going on these days? Hell no, we get the run around just like . they git in the 40's.
edit on 6-11-2012 by liejunkie01 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Jchristopher5
I saw this post and I was hoping that it was from you. No, you have explained nothing about the Roswell mystery. You have, as usual, provided no evidence only your tired brand of skepticism.
Let me go through this again.
1. Our government released press that a flying disk had been captured. According to the man in the center of the press release, Lt. Haut, he believed that it was extraterrestrial. He saw 4' bodies with large heads. He put this in a death bed testimony. Also, the local mortician, Glenn Dennis, said he was asked for child's caskets, from the base.
All of this proves that something unusual crashed, piloted by small beings.
2. Marcel and others testified that the wreckage was of a material unknown to him. Memory metals and rigid Ibeams with strange hieroglyphics. It was seen by his son, and by a couple of dozen others. This was clearly NOT a weather balloon or anything of the sort. In your heart, you know marcel would not have mistaken this material for a balloon. That is silly.
3. The memo held by Ramey is the debris photo is very telling. While it is impossible to make all of it out, phrases like "aviators of the disk" and "balloon PR" jump off the page.
4. The silly Mogel cover, and the later "case closed" on the alien bodies is over the top silliness by the military and government. These dummies were dropped in the 1950s, not in 1947, and this explains what people saw? Wow, I have some land for you if you buy that.
I am not buying the silliness that you are posting here "The Shreck". Roswell remains unexplained, but clearly leans to the ET/ED hypothesis.
Originally posted by schuyler
Maybe, but if your heroes are the duplicitous Philip Klass and even more so, Kal Korff, you're delusional. Did you know Kal Korff is a Colonel in a secret Israeli intelligence service, or that he has an imaginary girlfriend? Next you'll be telling me Billy Meier really did go back in time to meet the dinosaurs.
KAL KORFF????? Seriously????
Originally posted by fleabit
There are just too many anomalies surrounding Roswell to credit a weather balloon as the actual crash victim, or even secret bomb-detecting microphones. From a large amount of air traffic arriving in and leaving the airbase after the event, from and to the most important bases in the U.S., to Twining cancelling a trip to make an emergency visit to new Mexico on July 17th, to the reports of truck-fulls of debris, to the rancher being held for a week by the military, and it just goes on and on. Weirdness at the radio station and calls from the military, people receiving items.. like fridges and ovens and other large appliances, the children of the rancher talking about having to take cattle over a mile around out of the way to avoid the debris, etc. et al.
Regardless OP, you seem in a poor position to be making such a definitive stand on a case you admit to having not bothered to study on your own, only relying on books or reports written by people with an obvious bias. I however, made a decision by studying all the data, critics and witnesses alike, before I made a decision. You claim to be a brilliant mind, but unfortunately, you just come across as your typical categorically decisive debunker. Facts? Who needs those huh? Just dismiss everything you don't believe, and embrace all that in your mind disproves it.
Just another debunker with a lot of opinionated ideas.
Originally posted by nightmare_david
This is officially my favorite thread on ATS.
This proves everything I've ever said about you:
1.) You have no clue what you're talking about in any subject in ufology
2.) Every thread you create is purposely made just to annoy others
3.) You have a belief system even though you say you don't
4.) You are the very definition of an internet troll
Among many other things....This thread should make it more than clear to the admins of ATS that you're not here for any real kind of intelligent conversation. Only to incite flamewars and throw out insults or the occasional wishing for the death of some ufologist you hate.
This proves everything I've ever said about you:
Originally posted by DarthFazer
reply to post by The Shrike
You mean the military changed it's story 3 times and yet nothing happened ? The army mistaken a balloon for a disc lol. Even 60 years later it cant make up it's mind what happened and "derp we dun goofed again it's crash test dummies this time project mogul derr" I mean say the wife came home at 4 in the morning with alcohol on her breath smelling like another mans cologne and told you 3 different versions of where she was and what she did then... maybe i better not trust her
Yeah our military was and still is just that disorganized and incompetent post WW2 , Is Gomer Pyle commander and chief of the most inept military force in the world ? No the ARMY knew what they were doing, they said too much about the disc.
Either you are projecting your denial because you are not receptive to the facts. Or the prospect of beings with higher technology of unknown origins. Or maybe you are just a troll ? I would not go as far to call you a disinfo agent because i do not see the government finding this method efficient. So i will give you that NO you are not a disinfo agent
You may as well tell me the earth is flat even though I have seen photos that tell me other wise. I don't know if it was Aliens, Russian mutant ninja turtles, some German scientists prototype. What i do know is that whatever happened is still being covered up 70 years later and we have been lied to that is more then obvious. Whatever crashed in that desert it's secrets it's technology supersedes our tech still today? At least what us civilians have must be obsolete in comparison.
I suspect it was a time machine because ET craft would not be such a big deal. With a time machine disclosing it's existence could interfere with our future. So that's why they lied and made it obvious to begin with creating the Alien mythos? Then again maybe it really was ET's all along. No pile of sticks, paper, plastic could ever generate such lore.edit on 6-11-2012 by DarthFazer because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by liejunkie01
I see the UFO worshipers have came out in droves to belittle the OP.
Each and everyone of you are hilarious. You say he has no proof, but you come in here with no proof to back up your claims.
I am sure that 60+ year old hearsay and conjecture is still just that, hearsay and conjecture.
There is not one solid piece of evidence to back up any of your claims.
People in the 40's were ignorant to technology. They had outhouses and some were still without electricity. Mainly the folks in the country, which is where this incident happened.
They wouldn't know a top secret military project if it bit them in the a$$.
Does the military tell us what is going on these days? Hell no, we get the run around just like they git in the 40's.
edit on 6-11-2012 by liejunkie01 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by The Shrike
Originally posted by DarthFazer
reply to post by The Shrike
You mean the military changed it's story 3 times and yet nothing happened ? The army mistaken a balloon for a disc lol. Even 60 years later it cant make up it's mind what happened and "derp we dun goofed again it's crash test dummies this time project mogul derr" I mean say the wife came home at 4 in the morning with alcohol on her breath smelling like another mans cologne and told you 3 different versions of where she was and what she did then... maybe i better not trust her
Yeah our military was and still is just that disorganized and incompetent post WW2 , Is Gomer Pyle commander and chief of the most inept military force in the world ? No the ARMY knew what they were doing, they said too much about the disc.
Either you are projecting your denial because you are not receptive to the facts. Or the prospect of beings with higher technology of unknown origins. Or maybe you are just a troll ? I would not go as far to call you a disinfo agent because i do not see the government finding this method efficient. So i will give you that NO you are not a disinfo agent
You may as well tell me the earth is flat even though I have seen photos that tell me other wise. I don't know if it was Aliens, Russian mutant ninja turtles, some German scientists prototype. What i do know is that whatever happened is still being covered up 70 years later and we have been lied to that is more then obvious. Whatever crashed in that desert it's secrets it's technology supersedes our tech still today? At least what us civilians have must be obsolete in comparison.
I suspect it was a time machine because ET craft would not be such a big deal. With a time machine disclosing it's existence could interfere with our future. So that's why they lied and made it obvious to begin with creating the Alien mythos? Then again maybe it really was ET's all along. No pile of sticks, paper, plastic could ever generate such lore.edit on 6-11-2012 by DarthFazer because: (no reason given)
One thing my threads are successful for and that's allowing others to express their ignorance. Does it make you feel better to allow you and your ilk to spew the results of a low education?
You could have posted your views on the points that were made giving your reasons why you accept or don't accept what was posted. Instead, you sound like you cannot have a intelligent conversation lowering yourself to insults. If ATS' ALIENS & UFOS forum had a Hall Of Fame you certainly wouldn't be a candidate.
Originally posted by The Shrike
Whether you dislike the researchers for whatever reason rocks your boat, it isn't the personality you should question, it should be the results of their research.
Originally posted by The Shrike
I do not even consider that a UFO crashed near Roswell and that bodies were recovered. . . .
Since I wasn't there when it happened and since I did not do any research to form my opinion I don't mind telling you that I rely on the work of a few researchers who dug deeper than the above authors and who are responsible for exposing the hidden truth.
Originally posted by The Shrike
The problem with replies such as yours where sources are maligned because you have a mindset and no one will knock you off it is that ignorance seems to reign.
Originally posted by decepticonLaura
i must admit that when i read the thread title,
touting a "possible solution" to "finally put.. to rest" a mystery that has been hotly contested for a half-century
i was expecting something a little more indepth than "TEAM A HAS BEEN RIGHT ALL ALONG"
i mean by all means, believe what you need to believe regarding this event
since i don't think any of us will ever be getting the full story
and certainly don't stop making threads or discussing it
but please try not to mistake choosing a side for solving a problem.
after all, did you come up with a solution to all our political problems when you cast your ballot earlier?
Originally posted by chunder
Originally posted by The Shrike
Whether you dislike the researchers for whatever reason rocks your boat, it isn't the personality you should question, it should be the results of their research.
Massive credibility failure in the context of your other thread about Don Schmitt here.
Originally posted by Ectoplasm8
Let's see, we have 2 scenarios:
High altitude balloons that are used to pick up sound waves of Soviet atomic bomb tests(or similar balloon) crashes on a ranchers property. These balloons were made up of the large rubber carrying balloon(s) and it's cargo. Cargo which includes i-beams, foil, as well as other materials. If you search images of these balloons, you can see how these balloons were constructed. They contained materials that if crashed into the ground, would naturally break apart leaving foil and i-beams strewn across the ground. All of which was found by the ranch-hand and Jesse Marcel.
OR
An alien spacecraft travels trillions of miles from another galaxy, arrives in earths atmosphere and crashes, killing 2 or 3 or it's passengers leaving one alive walking around the spacecraft. Parts of the craft are found that contain foil-like material and small i-beams by the ranch-hand and Jesse Marcel Sr.
So, just from a logical, common sense standpoint of these two scenarios, the alien spacecraft crash is the one that makes more sense? It would have to be a one in a million+ chance that a UFO from another world is constructed of the exact same type of material that balloons were constructed. Not to mention crashes in the same general area that "weather" balloons are used and crash! It's a ridiculous comparison. If these balloons were used at higher altitudes and for different reasons than the typical weather balloons he had found crashed, the materials logically would have to be constructed of differently. Unless Jesse Marcel had a one-on-one connection with the construction of these balloons, of course the material is going to seem foreign. If the balloons are to be used miles in the air for other reasons than weather, it will be made of stronger material depending on their application.
Everyone is basing things off what was started by Stanton Friedman 30 years AFTER the "crash". All that was said is that Marcel found foil and i-beams. Then all of a sudden everyone has a story that they kept hidden for 30+ years. Some of them, stories of alien beings. How do you keep that hidden? I know, it all goes along with the threats, secrets and conspiracies. To believe in Roswell, you have to believe in all of these conspiracies, secrets and stories, while at the same time not needing an ounce of physical proof to believe in it. Talk about scientific.
Originally posted by The Shrike
Originally posted by chunder
Originally posted by The Shrike
Whether you dislike the researchers for whatever reason rocks your boat, it isn't the personality you should question, it should be the results of their research.
Massive credibility failure in the context of your other thread about Don Schmitt here.
You are wrong. The keywords are "results of their research", not made-up or altered.