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Citing the Galveston hurricane in 1900 that obliterated much of the Texas coast, the libertarian-leaning congressman said Americans were able to rebuild their cities and put up a seawall without the federal government's help.
"I live on the Gulf Coast. We put up with hurricanes all the time," the GOP presidential candidate told CNN after a New Hampshire campaign event Friday. "There's no magic about FEMA. More and more people are starting to recognize that."
The agency received wide criticism in 2005 for failing to respond in a timely, organized manner to the vast destruction wrought by Hurricane Katrina.
Originally posted by dashen
We dont need no stinkin FEMA.
In the Galveston Hurricane as today, our workers are capable of rebuilding damn near anything. Also, the army corp of engineers is usually called in for emergency national construction projects, and local affairs and building are administrated localy. Whether in Texas or NYC.edit on 31-10-2012 by dashen because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Sublimecraft
reply to post by SaturnFX
Hi Saturn
I don't usually enter into this forum as I'm not in your country. I just hope that those families with kids whom are effected by Sandy are looked after - politics needs to take a back seat whilst everyone concentrates on making sure the children and those less fortunate and whom were effected are OK.
Regarding the FEMA camps......well the devil is most likely in the details and I'm sure their true purpose will become apparent in the not too distant future.
Ron Paul has some good ideas and I do appreciate what he has to say. Personally I think he's a straight shooter in comparison to Obama and R-Money...........which brings me to the reason I have responded.
OFF TOPIC - try this on for size - its crisper and is sized to suit Avatars (170 x 240 pixels)
(I prefer your old one better though )
edit on 31-10-2012 by Sublimecraft because: spelling / grammar
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Why does it exist at all?
It isnt my neighbors responsibility to rebuild my house should it collapse.
So why is it another states responsibility to rebuild some other city should it collapse?
People act like the government is your mommy and daddy there to help you out when # happens or lend you a few bucks when you need it.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Government is our servant.
We supply them with money collectively, and in turn, they organize our tax dollars for support in areas that are simply too big for us to deal with individually.
This is the whole concept of government..to achieve order that a group of individuals cannot achieve.
You know what would happen to a city if after a disaster, no help came for months?
There is a reason why things are created..its not like one day a politician thought "how can we spend more tax dollars on nothing we need..hmm..."
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Government is our servant.
We supply them with money collectively, and in turn, they organize our tax dollars for support in areas that are simply too big for us to deal with individually.
This is the whole concept of government..to achieve order that a group of individuals cannot achieve.
A servant I cant fire.
I dont supply anything. They just take.
Can we not achieve that order? Did I try and fail at some point?
You know what would happen to a city if after a disaster, no help came for months?
Do you? I imagine you have a bunch of guesses and ideas but do you know? Does anyone? Has there ever been a city in a disaster free from outside corruptors left to resolve itself?
There is a reason why things are created..its not like one day a politician thought "how can we spend more tax dollars on nothing we need..hmm..."
Whatever the reason is it can be reduced to money and control. Good intentions paving certain roads and all.
If any of this was righteous or just it would be based in voluntarism and not authoritarianism.
That right there is a red flag that somethign is wrong.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
First off, don't get me as some breathless hater of all things Paulite. I think many of his ideas are spot on.
But, his stances are just as destructive as they are intriguing...like a mixed bag of nuts, some are delicious, some are near poisonous.
Real world examples destroys his view
Source
Citing the Galveston hurricane in 1900 that obliterated much of the Texas coast, the libertarian-leaning congressman said Americans were able to rebuild their cities and put up a seawall without the federal government's help.
Fantastic Paul, very relevant. The people living with no electricity, no real indoor plumbing, basically living in wood and stone tents are totally equal to todays environment of a digital/info age.
No..its not relevant (sarcasm in case you were unaware). in the year 1900, pre and post hurricane would be not much different..no power lines to sort out, just pick up a few sticks and cut down some trees and your good to go. Times evolve.
This seems to be Paul's biggest disconnect. You cannot compare ways of life from 110 years ago to now and suggest that all things are equal...we progress, society evolves.
Imagine if Paul did win in 08 and there was no FEMA..what would be going on in NYC now in a Paul world?
"I live on the Gulf Coast. We put up with hurricanes all the time," the GOP presidential candidate told CNN after a New Hampshire campaign event Friday. "There's no magic about FEMA. More and more people are starting to recognize that."
Yes, we see why
The agency received wide criticism in 2005 for failing to respond in a timely, organized manner to the vast destruction wrought by Hurricane Katrina.
I think its a managment issue
Hard to have something work properly when the person managing it wants to destroy it..
Anyhow, whats your thoughts on this subject? Is it this (and other areas like this) where Paul's idealism is simply unrealistic in a 21st century setting (or even a mid/late 20th century)? Should it truely be a situation where entire states are allowed to fail and have epic humanitarian disasters without intervention?
Should the union be...unified?edit on 31-10-2012 by SaturnFX because: sourced