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Originally posted by ownbestenemy
reply to post by Whatifitdidhappen
I agree, I didn't hear many great names until I aged and decided that it was my responsibility to educate myself -- in turn I have applied that logic to my children; it is not the government's responsibility to educate my children, that is my job as a parent.
Given that, I hope we can keep your view upon our 'outdated' economic model from the main points of this thread. That alone constitutes a thread of its own and will only deter on the question at hand: Why is education (of sudden) a hot topic? As explained it always is, every election, from President to Council-member. It brings votes and money.
Please do not see my calls to exclude specific policies as a call to silence your opinion. We wholly agree that tossing money at the problem is not fixing anything and I guess I was just trying to say we should stick to that and a possible solution. In which I can only assume we greatly differ in opinion, but at least we are at step one; agreeing that dumping billions and billions of $ at it isn't making it better.
edit on 2-11-2012 by ownbestenemy because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by badgerprints
Load of garbage.
Education in the US is a disaster and the left and right both know it.
We spend more money than any other country and have lousy results.
So the response on the left is to spend more and the response on the right is to spend less. Neither actually looks at the fact that our system is broken because there are too many ego's in the way and apparently our educational interests and politicians want all future generations of Americans to be stupid.
How about we try fixing the way we teach the kids so the money we spend actually counts?
Originally posted by Whatifitdidhappen
Information shouldn't handled, funneled, or withheld because of guidlines or outdated 'values' or at the very least for propaganda.
Giving the children all of the options to start with in my opinion is atleast a step in the right direction. Forcing a child to take a certain class at a certain age (high school) i believe not only limits their abilities but removes them choices and further education at their own disposal. This includes practicality classes like home ec and agriculture.
Originally posted by ownbestenemy
reply to post by PurpleChiten
We have sparred on issues before. This one, education, is a sad state of affairs in my opinion. We have history that tells of us children, as young as 8 or 9, learning about Socrates, law, history, mathematics, the "arts", etc in the late 1700s -- yet today a student (I know because I have two of them who I have to diligently drill other knowledge into) who barely know grammar, arithmetic, comprehension.
Sadly, my two boys, if not for my rigorous extracurricular exercises would know all about "social" issue and nothing about the basic (reading, writing and arithmetic). That is the state of American "education" in its full monty so to speak.
Originally posted by smyleegrl
Ah, sorry for going off like this, but I'm fed up with trying to teach and being hamstrung every day. I'm tired of reading threads were the average person blames all the woes of education on the teachers. I'm tired of trying to defend my profession, which is one of the most honorable professions out there, and being scorned for doing so.
Okay, I'll stop. Sorry if I derailed the thread.