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Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
What are your thoughts on the well built, bearded man stereotype of Roman gods (see OP) being applied to the God of the bible.
Your conclusion that the Israelites produced two pieces of artwork in their multi-thousand year history is not a valid one.
Thats what the bible tells us.
The Israelites never produced an image of God on their own, without being instructed to by God.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
1. Does it allows one to depict God in an image, as long as that image isn't worshiped?
2. What is your view of the depiction of God, in the Sistine Chapel. Is it in harmony with the second commandment?
and just out of curiosity....
3. Given how the Romans depicted the biblical God as a bearded, well built man, have you believe they modelled the depiction of the biblical God after their old gods such as...
Originally posted by Bisman
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by Bisman
I have never seen anyone calling themselves a christian worship a crucifix, not any protestant ones at least, we'd be having words with their preacher if he allowed any of that.
praying is worshiping...
and like EVERY sect does this.its not something taught and encouraged by the church(s), but we see it going on all the time.
dont many latin catholics traditionally hang them above doorways, some families have traditions of tapping it when they leave the room.
and catholic nuns kissing small pocket crucifix's like they are candy.
those are all idols, and this is all worship. the commandment dosnt say anything about idols being ok if they represent the jewish/chrsitian god. it says idols.edit on 17-10-2012 by Bisman because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
If it's being worshipped or glorified in any manner yeah it does violate the second commandment,
But do you think the 2nd commandment allows one to paint an image to represent God as a decoration? (even if its not worshipped or glorified)
What are your thoughts on the well built, bearded man stereotype of Roman gods (see OP) being applied to the God of the bible.
is that I thought the Second Commandment says not to make images of anything. Is that your position?
so in terms of the second commandment i personally do not believe we should even attempt to make images or "icons" as some call them of what God looks like.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by adjensen
Your conclusion that the Israelites produced two pieces of artwork in their multi-thousand year history is not a valid one.
Thats what the bible tells us.
The Israelites never produced an image of God on their own, without being instructed to by God.
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
What I don't understand about your position:is that I thought the Second Commandment says not to make images of anything. Is that your position?
so in terms of the second commandment i personally do not believe we should even attempt to make images or "icons" as some call them of what God looks like.
Or is it that we can make pictures of things that aren't supposed to remind us of God?
Or is it that we aren't supposed to make things that we treat as God?
Sorry, I'm just not clear on your position.
I think that's a very reasonable position and I would encourage anyone who believes that would be a source of evil for them to follow your example.
Having the image was not evil it's what you do with it that makes it evil, but just to play it safe i still would not have images of God/Jesus in my home, i'm just not going to do it.
Yes they did, the idolaters made idols to him, the entire OT is filled full of his judgements against the apostates for their idolatry, thats what all their exiles were for.
Roman gods don't have beards, the only one who did was Zeus who in the ripped off Roman pagan religion was Jupiter.
So you think that the Bible is a complete and comprehensive history of the Israelites? Wow, even Fundamentalists don't give it that much weight!
Well, I was referring to the God fearing Israelites, not those who rebelled.
The righteous ones never made an image of anything without being instructed to.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
The Israelites never produced an image of God on their own, without being instructed to by God.
Yes they did, the idolaters made idols to him, the entire OT is filled full of his judgements against the apostates for their idolatry, thats what all their exiles were for.
Well, I was referring to the God fearing Israelites, not those who rebelled.
The righteous ones never made an image of anything without being instructed to.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
Roman gods don't have beards, the only one who did was Zeus who in the ripped off Roman pagan religion was Jupiter.
Here are some more...
Saturn
Neptune
Bearded and well built.... same traits as the depiction of God in the sistine chapel.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
I'm not saying it is, but its clear that the Israelites were bound by religious law to NOT depict God.
Originally posted by apsalmist
The ten commandments are part of the ministry of death. These do not apply to Christians. The only law Christians are bound by is the law of love.