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When NASA's last scheduled Space Shuttle mission lands in June of 2010, the United States will not have the capability to get astronauts into space again until the scheduled launch of the new Orion spacecraft in 2015. Over those five years, the U.S. manned space program will be relying heavily on Russia and its Baikonur Cosmodrome facility in Kazakhstan. Baikonur is an entire Kazakh city, rented and administered by Russia. The Cosmodrome was founded in 1955, making it one of the oldest space launch facilites still in operation. Here are collected some photographs of manned and unmanned launches from Baikonur over the past several years.
Originally posted by Enlightenme1111
Originally posted by OccamAssassin
Let me repeat myself for clarity.......ALL NASA MISSIONS ARE BROADCAST IN SUCH A WAY THAT ANYONE CAN LISTEN IN ON THE CONVERSATION.......No encryption......just a nice analog signal that anyone can tune in to.
Seems rather counter-intuitive for an agency to be conducting "secret schemes"( ) to broadcast their communications on an open channel.
In fact, they have separate channels they broadcast on. There is an open channel for the peasants, such as yourself, and there are also closed and encrypted channels for people with higher pay grades.
Thank you OP for a well thought out and presented post.
Originally posted by bjarneorn
I do not agree, that there is any hidden group with a hidden agenda, nor doI believe an alien was found in Roswell.
But I'll give it a S&F anyway, because ultimately it's a question of lack of vision. The one reality, that you still failed to emphasize properly.
You can see this "lack" of vision anywhere ... and especially in the "computer" world. During the 80's and the beginning of the 90's we were advancing fast. But it halted, basically because other interrests became more prevailant than the seeking of intellect and knowledge. As the science faculties became bigger, and more money was flowing through their hallways. People with no vision, except the desire to have money, became the dominating factor in these areas.
Today, in 2012, we are still using the same basic technology in computer science as was developed in the 60's and 70's. Major difference being only in the advancement in the creation of electronic hardware. This is because computer science, became a magnet for idiots who had a rich mom and dad. They had absolutely zero vision, except to be a computer scientist and earn big cash.
So, today we are seeing the decline of computer technology with the passing of Steve Jobs, and when Gates passes away ... it'll basically be it's death bed. People like Linus Torvalds, is not a computer genius ... he and others like him, are copy cats. No vision involved, except to basically "steal" Unix. THis is because most of the University faculties in computer science used Unix, and have never had any vision beyond that.
And the same applies to space exploration ... when von Braun died, the vision died with him.
What is needed, is less "alien" stories, and less "hollywood" stars to proclaim their lack of intellect ... and to advance those who have some sort of vision for the future.
Originally posted by bluestreak53
Very interesting thread Mirageman. And I have to wonder if there is any grain of truth behind any of these ideas.
I wonder where you would put people like Col. Corso and John Lear into all this?
My thoughts are that the USAF and other defense agencies built a climate of skepticism around the idea of UFOs as ET craft, way back in the 1950s. The culture in these organizations is such that it is not welcome to talk about UFOs as anything but a joke. But there would be many people who maybe have had access to enough information that they know that the "official line" is mostly self deception.
I have to think that Corso really believed some of the stuff he wrote - maybe not all of it. Or maybe his written account is the result of decades of keeping some grain of truth hidden in the back of his minds, where it all grew into this rather fictitious tale of alien technology transfer. The same may apply to John Lear. You've got to think that he probably has had some access to some "UFO secrets" over the course of his career, and maybe he has sort of just gone a bit off the deep end into all sorts of rather baseless theorizing since he has the knowledge that something is being kept secret from us.
I don't know, but as much as I am very skeptical about a lot of these stories, I think there probably was some level of contact between the US military and ET back in the early days post World War II.
With respect to the idea that our civilization is not meeting the early expectations of space travel, I've got to say that when I was a kid, I wanted to be an astronaut and go to Mars, but I was afraid that humans would land on Mars years before I was old enough to make the trip myself. How wrong I was!
Originally posted by JeSterR117
reply to post by mirageman
I have a hard time believing that aliens just showed up mid 20th century. Either the aliens were here all along or they aren't here yet, or maybe we are them. The only way the aliens just happen to show up in the 1950's is if the entire 20th century was a BioWare video game that everyone gets born into somewhere between 1950 and 2000, then we get until December 21, 2012 to either level up or morph into a non-playable character.
The mid 1970s were a period of economic recession, rising fuel prices, and fears over future fuel and food supplies
Originally posted by SheopleNation
The amount of funds wasted in wars in The Middle East could have been so much better applied. What fools we are. What a shame. ~$heopleNation