reply to post by SLAYER69
You know me I'm not advocating interference but, How on any sort of moral ground can people stand by when people are being killed?
That's what I meant by saying it may real be hard to stay out and be very tempting on moral grounds to get involved...but the road to hell and good
intentions, right? I just can't, for the life of me, come up with a major intervention that went well outside of situations that were born from total
ruins and total defeat of one form or another.
Recently, even that hasn't ended well at all since Iraq truly WAS a total defeat in the first phase, yet the U.S. shortcomings for planning in post
war phases snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in the end... So, it's not that I think things like Rwanda should happen, to name one
example....but the outcome in Libya for another where we DID intervene is hardly an improvement for the people and a damn bit worse all around. They
had SOME law and order ..in fact too damn much...before. Now it's like every other post war nation from what it appears.. borderline chaos and
general uncertainty as a way of life. Err.. oops. I think the locals had it better before?
Maybe if Assad and company survive this fiasco they'll look long and hard at their covert activities of the past in other countries and think
twice next time?
You know what they say about justifying behavior by citing other examples... lol...Although you do have a point and if Syria
wasn't a key point in a larger slow motion disaster here I'd see a whole lot more of the irony to this.
Syria HAS been a happy host to HQ centers for Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah and Hamas among others..at various times like Embassy Row there in Damascus.
Now, guerrilla forces of another stripe are about to cook HIS bird....
It really does have poetic justice to it.
...Oh but then I keep coming back to that nasty issue of....Why US ..again?? 12 long years of war and we can do no more..really.. Not in money and not
in human resources.. Enough? Let 'em kill each other off but it's a snake pit we've been in too long, IMO. It's just too much now and when does it
ever stop if not with Afghanistan when we leave there? Syria? Iran? North Africa? Pakistan? ..... We can't fight forever...
Make no mistake. Iran has ambitions of being a major regional power come hell or high water. Now, on the surface for many that seems like no
big deal but in reality the majority of their neighbors are just about done with their covert meddling and denial too.
Yes they are. No question. If there is proof of a nuclear weapon...I'm content with what it takes to remove that and yes my qualms about war have
their limits. I'm anything but pacifist. I'm just war weary after so many years of it. However, Saudi Arabia among others have stated in NO
uncertain terms that if Iran tests a Nuclear Weapon (assuming NO war starts at all) they absolutely WILL build their own Nuclear Weapons and as
quickly as humanly possible.
I'm guessing you're well aware of that too as a major factor. For that reason, IF proof is established, I would NOT be opposed to war with
Iran..because a nuclear arms RACE over there is far beyond what the world can accept.
However....nations like China and Russia know this too and Russia is NO favorite of the Jihadis or extremists. They have their own little war on
terror going.....and an Iran with nuclear weapons that aren't secure would be a larger direct threat to THEM than us. After all, Iranian and Russian
Federation soil sits 115 miles apart at one point as I recall the maps. They are literally neighbors down the Caspian coast.
I think they're making serious nuclear capability, but energy and with an eye toward not simply servicing the world market for it but outright
dominating it. Ambitious little cusses...but I think that's what we're seeing. when those who know them best, as noted. have no apparent concerns
about taking one in the teeth.
No one can expect to agree 100% though...There was bound to be a minor thing we ended up disagreeing about eventually. lol... I'd say it's on
general outlines and not the fundamental principles though. There are enough nukes in that region as it is....and the world doesn't even know about
some of them, is my guess. It's all a question of Iraq style "proof" or PROOF in capital letters. I just need the latter when it comes to Iran.