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Originally posted by dollukka
Infinity is in our minds and nowhere else.
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
The only thing I could label infinite is human credulity.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
Originally posted by NorEaster
reply to post by AthlonSavage
Infinity does not exist outside of the imagination of the human mind. Quantum physics has proven this by debunking the concept of infinite linearity between two established points of existence, be they distance, motion, action, time or magnitude. And if infinite smallness is not a reality, then infinite bigness is also not a reality. This is due to the fact that infinite whatever is a quality that is possessed only by that which exists in an absolute state of being, and you can't simply restrict infinity to one gradient over the other. Either the infinite gradient of delineation exists (which quantum physics has proven that it does not) or infinity itself is a human construct that is used by mathematicians and physicists as a placeholder term, and was never intended to be taken literally by the lay public (as it obviously has). The word itself does also have dictionary meanings that present it as a metaphor for immeasurable quantity or quality, but again, the word represents a construct in that case as well.
So, where is infinity? It's in your mind's playground.edit on 10/10/2012 by NorEaster because: (no reason given)
According to our current understanding of physics, every region of space is awash with different kinds of fields composed of waves of varying lengths. Each wave always has at least some energy. When physicists calculate the minimum amount of energy a wave can possess, they find that every cubic centimeter of empty space contains more energy than the total energy of all the matter in the known universe!
Almost everyone knows about the supposed confirmation of Einstein’s theory by the Michelson-Morley experiments, which is taken for granted in scientific texts. However, almost nobody knows that the total distance through which light passed in the Michelson-Morley interferometer was 22 meters.
Moreover, these experiments were conducted in the basement of a stone building that was practically at sea level. Further, they were performed during a period of four days (July, 8, 9, 11, 12) in 1887, when the data of the interferometer were recorded over a period of 6 hours with 36 turns of the device. This experimental base supposedly confirms the non-existence of the ether drift and, hence, the "correctness" of Einstein’s Special and General Relativity Theories.
Since the facts are very crucial here, let us appeal to them. In 1933 the American physicist Dayton C. Miller (1866-1941) published the results of his experiments on the so-called ether drift, carried out during a period of over twenty years. His research was published in the journal "Reviews of Modern Physics". All these experiments confirmed the existence of an ether drift.
He began his experiments in 1902 and finished them in 1926. For these experiments he created an interferometer with a general trajectory for the beam of light of 64 meters. This was the most accurate interferometer in the world at that time and at least three times more sensitive than the interferometer used in the Michelson-Morley’s experiments.
Interferometer data were taken at different times of the day and at different times of the year. Miller performed more than 200,000 observations and made more than 12,000 turns of the interferometer. He periodically brought the interferometer to the top of Wilson’s mountain (6,000 feet above sea level), where, as he had supposed, the speed of ether wind was greater.
And now let us look at what the facts tell us.
On the one hand, we have the Michelson-Morley’s experiments, which altogether were performed for 6 hours, during 4 days, with 36 turns of the interferometer.
And on the other hand, we have experimental data recorded by the interferometer over a period of 24 years, with the device being turned 12,000 times! At the same time, Miller’s interferometer was 3 times more sensitive! These are the facts.
"The effect [of ether-drift] has persisted throughout. After considering all the possible sources of error, there always remained a positive effect." — Dayton Miller (1928, p.399)
"My opinion about Miller's experiments is the following. ... Should the positive result be confirmed, then the special theory of relativity and with it the general theory of relativity, in its current form, would be invalid. Experimentum summus judex. Only the equivalence of inertia and gravitation would remain, however, they would have to lead to a significantly different theory."
— Albert Einstein, in a letter to Edwin E. Slosson, 8 July 1925 (from copy in Hebrew University Archive, Jerusalem.) See citations below for Silberstein 1925 and Einstein 1926.
"I believe that I have really found the relationship between gravitation and electricity, assuming that the Miller experiments are based on a fundamental error. Otherwise, the whole relativity theory collapses like a house of cards."
— Albert Einstein, in a letter to Robert Millikan, June 1921 (in Clark 1971, p.328)