Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by EnochWasRight
"You must be born again." This does not change salvation. It confirms that we are waiting on it.
Okay, which is it? You DO believe in reincarnation (Elijah, John the B., Jesus, etc), or you DO NOT?
I have never denied "salvation." I steadfastly maintain that we continue to recycle back to a physical realm (somewhere, if not Earth) until we are
ready to "graduate" to the Divine Realm; and that it takes many, many lifetimes to do so.
Your answer has already been provided. Scripture confirms that we return. It's a mystery. I prefer to leave it at the fact that scripture shows us
that we have likely been here many times.
What do you read in these words:
3 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears
God and shuns evil. And he still maintains his integrity, though you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason.”
4 “Skin for skin!” Satan replied.
Job's children had been killed by Satan. What does a snake do? He sheds skin for skin, yet the snake is still the same. In other words, the
children will return.
Extend this to Adam. When Jesus said, "I and the Father are one," what was he saying? Not just one thing. The LORD is Christ in the OT. Adam was
the Father, yet so was Abraham. Issac was the Son, yet so was Jesus. Can we confirm this mystery? I believe we can, yet the only teacher is Jesus.
We can only look.
What was Job saying here?
23 “Oh, that my words were recorded,
that they were written on a scroll,
24 that they were inscribed with an iron tool on lead,
or engraved in rock forever!
25 I know that my redeemer lives,
and that in the end he will stand on the earth.
26 And after my skin has been destroyed,
yet[e] in[f] my flesh I will see God;
27 I myself will see him
with my own eyes—I, and not another.
How my heart yearns within me!
He was saying what he knew. He would return to see the redeemer. He knew this to be so. He also says something else profound next.
28 “If you say, ‘How we will hound him,
since the root of the trouble lies in him,’
29 you should fear the sword yourselves;
for wrath will bring punishment by the sword,
and then you will know that there is judgment.
Who is HIM? The redeemer. Adam fell. Jesus was the last Adam. Is the root of the trouble we face in Adam? Sure. He sinned and fell. He was the
first man created. Should we hound him for the error? No. He is also our salvation and all of this is God's plan for mankind. Love is what I would
say and all of what I just revealed in my own thinking is yet a mystery. We will not know until Christ reveals all things.
1 Colossians 1:
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on
earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is
before all things, and in him all things hold together.
The Hebrews say that Adam Kadmon
was the first soul broken up to make all other souls. When
Christ told Peter to fish on the right side of the boat, he was telling him how to view truth. Peter then caught 153 fish. 153 is the 17th
triangular number and the ratio of 1:1.415 (Square root of 2). It is the ratio that makes the fish of the vesica pisces and what Pythagoras called
the measure of the fish. Why does it matter?
Earlier, you told me that I dabbled in numerology. This is not true. God said, "Let him who has wisdom calculate the number of the beast." Let him
is the operative term. God leaves these things for us to find. In the case of 153, it is the difference between unity and multiplicity. When Adam
was broken into humanity, unity is the direction he returns after fulfilling the law that was impossible for us to fulfill alone.
How will we know if we don't seek?
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