Afghan bid to 'de-friend' France: Islamic teachings state Muslims cannot be friends with infidels

Muslim Afghan senators have attempted to delete the word 'friendship' from a treaty signed with France earlier this year on the grounds that the Koran prohibits Infidels and Muslims from being friends.

France and Afghanistan signed the 20-year "friendship and co-operation treaty" earlier this year as a commitment that Paris would not abandon the country after its combat troops leave at the end of 2012.

However when the agreement reached the Afghan senate this week, a group of senators tried to remove the word friendship before it was ratified.

"Some senators said that based on Sharia rulings we cannot use the word friendship with infidels, so after voting the word friendship was replaced with relationship," Senator Zahra Sharifi told the AFP news agency.

The Telegraph

Afghan senators have made it clear that based on Islamic Sharia law, Muslims and non-Muslims cannot be 'friends'.

It is true that the Koran expressly states that Muslims are prohibited from being friends with non-Muslims based on a number of factors expounded in the Koran (non-Muslims are not be trusted, non-Muslims are Allah's enemy, non Muslims are liars and secretly hate Muslims etc.).

It should be noted that some of the Afghan senators did not object to the word friendship.

A majority did decide however reject the word 'friendship' based on theological grounds while conceding that a 'relationship' with a non Muslim is permissible.

So many times people have told me that my arguments on Islam are not valid, because the Quran does not say that Muslims are supposed to look down on other religions, among other things. So I guess I was right after all. Like I said, these terrorist groups who use religion as justification wouldn't be able to survive if they were illogical, as there would be so many others teaching the correct version of the Quran. And since these groups are growing larger and larger, they obviously have a religious leg to stand on.

This is part of my justification for disliking Islam, and thinking that it is a dangerous doctrine. Any doctrine that teaches one is not allowed to associate in a friendly manner with others not of their beliefs, tells openly that Islam is INTOLERANT of other people and their beliefs. This intolerance is why Islam is a threat to the world, and world peace. It really is one of the biggest problems facing the world today, because as more and more Muslims arise, there are that many more intolerant people. And intolerant people should never be allowed to make decisions that affect others who do not share their beliefs. This is true with not just Muslims, but as a whole, Muslim doctrine seems to support this negative type of behavior and beliefs.

It boggles my mind.
If they don't want us over there we should GTFO!
They can stay where they are at and we can stay where we are at and never the two shall mingle.
If they want to kill each other that's fine.

Originally posted by JiggyPotamus
So many times people have told me that my arguments on Islam are not valid, because the Quran does not say that Muslims are supposed to look down on other religions, among other things.

People who have never seriously studied Islam and the Koran assume that Muslims and their holy book are much like the Bible and Christians.

That's is a mistake.

Muslims must take the Koran literally when the meaning is clear. The Koran is clear that Muslims and non-Muslims are not allowed to be friends.

Luckily, most Muslims don't take Islam that seriously. Unfortunately, the small but significant minority that do seem to be very successful in dominating the wider Islamic community.

reply to post by ollncasino
Given all that I've seen of devout Muslims so far, I'd have to agree with the Senators there and am simply surprised Afghani Politicians would be so....rude...about it while they are in such a precarious position for requiring NATO and outside aid to survive. I wouldn't give the Kabul Government 6 months to live...literally AND figuratively if NATO just pulled the plug and pulled everything by Christmas for example.

I can't argue though... Their culture IS so completely different, it's really up to those who come West to adapt and those Westerners going into their region to adapt to them. Middle ground is kinda hard to find when the whole type of ground can't even be agreed on. It's a shame people can't compartmentalize better, but until they can.....I guess separation is the best solution for some things. They want the West out of their region? Lets go..and take everything. Absolutely everything. Aid.. Equipment...and spike the physical bases we've build. All of it.

This is better for Afghanistan

what happened to Frances friend, Qaddafi?

but also the Afghans speak of sharia like they're some good boys doing everything for the sake of God, but behind the curtains they are the worst of thieves and murderers each with own gun-totting militia and over sea bank accounts full of the peoples money

hypocrites, screw the french politicians and the afghan politicians

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by JiggyPotamus
So many times people have told me that my arguments on Islam are not valid, because the Quran does not say that Muslims are supposed to look down on other religions, among other things.

People who have never seriously studied Islam and the Koran assume that Muslims and their holy book are much like the Bible and Christians.

That's is a mistake.

Muslims must take the Koran literally when the meaning is clear. The Koran is clear that Muslims and non-Muslims are not allowed to be friends.

Luckily, most Muslims don't take Islam that seriously. Unfortunately, the small but significant minority that do seem to be very successful in dominating the wider Islamic community.

edit on 4-10-2012 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)

WRONG

As for such [of the unbelievers] as do not fight against you on account of [your] faith, and neither drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show them kindness and to behave towards them with full equity: for, verily, God loves those who act equitably. (Quran 60:8)

The muslims co existed with the Christians and jews in the middle east for hundreds of years, way before the british discovered America, way before France had its revolution, way before the Crusades. There was Iraqi jews, palestanian jews, Jordanian Christians, Egyptian Christians, Moroccan jews, they all lived there for hundreds of years in peace, now you come to tell me otherwise?

and they continued to live together until the british and other western powers came in and divided the middle east, destroying the caliphate (war on islam, you call it colonoilism), established Israel (kick them out of their homeland), terrorize them to this day

Verily, those who have attained to faith [in this divine writ], as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Christians, and the Sabians - all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds-shall have their reward with their Sustainer; and no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve. (Quran 2:62)

^ fair enough to the following christians and jews above

but what about the so called christians like George Bush and the so called jews like Ariel Sharon? you can call it politics but I call it religious war

and what about all those who came before and have caused nothing but pain and tribulations to the muslims, by forcing dictators upon them, coups and assassinations, sanctions and wars, terrorism and propaganda just to subdue them and control thier lands and resources
so why should the muslims hug the french who are obviously serving a larger evil agenda, surely they are not christian brothers but a deceiving, lying, backstabbing enemy. history can vouch for that.

I bet you, yourself if you had a country you wouldnt trust the lying french, why should the afghanis? pfft

Originally posted by RizeorDie

The muslims co existed with the Christians and jews in the middle east for hundreds of years, way before the british discovered America, way before France had its revolution, way before the Crusades. There was Iraqi jews, palestanian jews, Jordanian Christians, Egyptian Christians, Moroccan jews, they all lived there for hundreds of years in peace, now you come to tell me otherwise?

Historically, after Islam conquered the Middle East which has been largely Christian, Christians and Jews were actually discouraged from converting to Islam. The reason was simple - the conquering Muslims needed someone to pay the taxes.

Christians and Jews had to submit to the superiority of Islam and pay jizyah tax, in accordance with the Koran (Book 9 Verse 29).

1. Christians and Jews had to pay the special jizyah tax and kneel and have a sword ceremonially strike their neck as they paid their annual tribute.
2. Christians and Jews were not allowed to give Muslims orders in any way. A modern example of this is that Christians and Jews can not be officers in the Iranian army.
3. They were not allowed to ride a horse however a donkey was permissible.
4. Weapons of any sort to defend themselves from bandits were prohibited.
5. The word of a Muslim would automatically be believed above that of a Christian in a court of law.

There was a considerable incentive to convert to Islam.

Certainly Muslims, Jews and Christians 'co-existed', however the latter two groups were subservient to their Islamic masters.