Do Not Vote Because Your Vote Does Not Count !!

reply to post by FissionSurplus


I'm sort of torn on the issue. I think everybody should be able to vote over the internet but then it comes down to the same argument as the voting machines. They can't be fully trusted or independently verified and that's where it all breaks down. Paper ballots on the other hand have their own problems, ala the "chads" in Florida. I really don't have a solution but would be open to suggestions.

Originally posted by FissionSurplus
Wow....such pissiness coming from the "everybody should vote" crowd.

Their argument seems to be premised on the guilt factor. NOWHERE in their argument do they address the things the non-voters are concerned about: The manipulation, the computers replacing paper ballots, the counting of the votes, not in public view, but in secret, and the fact that we resent being told we only have two choices, when we know darn well there are more than two.

If we say we are going to vote third party, then we get the "you're wasting your vote", or "you're going to give the election to X, because you're taking the votes away from Y"...etc., etc., blah blah blah.

If y'all are trying to get people to vote based on guilt, it won't work.

Can somebody on ATS give a succinct, truthful, and heartfelt reason why those of us who are angry and disenfranchised should vote, without the nastiness and pettiness this thread has brought out? I would welcome something intelligent. Saying the system works, while we see the sorry state everything is in, and the past election frauds, won't cut it.

Bring it on, pro-voters. Explain to me why, knowing what I know and feeling as I do, why I should participate in something that is basically already pre-determined, secretive and manipulated?

edit on 4-10-2012 by FissionSurplus because: (no reason given)

I agree with this. I used to think voting was my right and duty. I never missed going to the polls. I encouraged people to remember to go and vote. That was then. This is now.

Apathy has nothing to do with it. First, if I even could believe my vote counted, please tell me why I should vote for one of two people I do not believe would be right for the office? Second, since i think the election is suspect, why would i pretend to play the game and report for voting like a fool?

I will go to the polls and get my ballot and vote for local issues. These issues still seem to be where my voice and vote count.

But the dog and pony show of the presidential race? Not interested. What will happen is going to happen no matter how the "vote" goes.

reply to post by JustSlowlyBackAway


Exactly! I was one of those voters who never missed a vote; rain or shine, I was there, and I was proud of participating in the election process. I was one of those who said, "If you don't vote, you don't have the right to complain".

I was one of those who voted for Obama in '08, thinking that I was making a difference.

I feel so foolish now, and so sad. Everything I grew up believing and cherishing, I now see as a total lie.

I believe that I represent the New American Non-Voter. We are disillusioned and disgusted. This is not democracy in action, this is a huge game of pretend, in which the end is predetermined, but we're not privvy to this information, so we just keep going through it, every four years.

The people who still choose to vote have my blessing, of course, but their holier-than-thou attitude stems from ignorance. We are all Americans. Until we all wake up and demand fair elections, in which the super-PACs aren't allowed to exist, in which all candidates are forbidden to take campaign donations, and instead all get the same amount of money from a pot in which all donations are put into, and until we get the media to give fair and balanced coverage to all candidates, no matter whether they be rich or poor, there will be a sizeable majority who will stay away from the voting booths on election day, and every four years it will get worse.

Of course, we could cease to exist as a nation within the next four years, as our economy collapses and our financial masters come to collect the land which has been given as collateral for the federal reserve debts, so perhaps this is the last time we'll have to go through this nonsense.

reply to Fission Surplus. Very well said sir, Democracy as we know it is a lie, an illusion of freedom. ordinary people need to belive they are participating in a system that they have a say in. They have no say. I used to be very politically active and gradually realised i was swimming against an age old tide. the only REAL form of democracy would be "proportional Representation" which basically means one person one vote.The fact is that model scares the hell out of the vested interest groups that manipulate us.

Thankyouverymuch.

Originally posted by infowarrior9970
can you explain what exactly you "handle" by voting for the lesser of 2 evils??

actions speak louder than words my friend.

Voting is like contributing to murder and rape. Either side u vote for u get screwed in the end.

Originally posted by itsallmaya
I'm going to do the same thing I did four years ago and write in Ron Paul.

If only 75% of the people would do that, write in Ron Paul or maybe Gary Johnson. If 75% sent a clear message, maybe, just maybe, these bastards wouldn't be able to hide it, even though I am sure they'd try. You need somebody independent standing there taking exit polls with a video camera that isn't a rep/dem/handler shill. The problem here is too that you have 4 candidates and you have that delegate/electoral college stuff going on which allows the system to be compromised. Somebody was thinking ahead LOL.

Cheers - Dave

Originally posted by HomerinNC
can you PROVE our votes dont count??
Thread sounds like someone trying to heard she sheeple to NOT vote

Whether they count or not is irrelevant. The outcome remains the same either way. Whether the Reps or the Dems win, its "We the People" who LOSE.

Living in a country that has compulsory voting I find it odd that people would not want to participate in their own democracy

How can you expect anything from a government when you dont even care enough to vote for one?.

Originally posted by yeahright

Originally posted by infowarrior9970
can you explain what exactly you "handle" by voting for the lesser of 2 evils??

actions speak louder than words my friend.

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Can you tell me where you are geographically as to be limited to two choices?

Lack of action speaks volumes as well.

Let's all just sit quietly in a corner and act all gwumpy and maybe someone will come along and make it all better.

I'm 100% against all the "get out the vote" brouhaha. I'd immensely prefer anyone who doesn't see the point in voting not go to the polls. Anyone who needs any impetus at this stage to go vote sure hasn't done the necessary legwork to make an informed decision. Those people do us all a favor by not participating.

Anyone who doesn't see voting as a right, duty, and responsibility as a citizen doesn't deserve to be one. Unfortunately, it isn't a requirement to be an informed and engaged citizen. I weep for the millions who have come before us, toiling and fighting and dying, suffering hardships most of us will never be able to understand in some cases just to get here, to give us the right to live in a participatory government.

"It's rigged". Bullsquat. That's a lame excuse and better read as "I'm too lazy to understand what's going on, so I'll do nothing because boohoohoo, it doesn't even matter because Big Unnamed Meanies have it all predetermined anyway".

Washington and his men at Valley Forge would be so proud that some of today's Americans find it too much effort to engage to the degree of casting a ballot.

People who see no value in voting don't deserve to. So please, stay home. Not because your vote doesn't count, but because if you don't understand why it's important, your vote shouldn't.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

edit on 10/5/2012 by yeahright because: BB Code

By voting for candidates who clearly are not "for the people", we are allowing the downfall of our country to continue.

Thats why voter turnout is so important to our government. It directly projects our overall acceptance and approval of how its being run. I guarantee, a significant drop in voter turnout would get plenty of attention. And when they ask why, I would gladly tell them why.

We've been brainwashed to believe that if we don't vote, then we just don't care. I'm telling you, in our present day and age, that the exact opposite is true.

reply to post by Bodhi911


I'm going to suggest that if you are the kind of person who "gets" this sort of thing, then yes, you should stay home and let the sheeple vote. By all means, let this election pass. Seriously. If you're hip to this information, then you probably know that Obama is a Marxist, Nazi, Muslim, Reptilian Manchurian Candidate that was smuggled into this country from Kenya back in 1961, after a super-secret cabal of atheist Communists had his stripper, porn model mom impregnated by a subversive terrorist black racist that they scientifically empowered via genetic manipulation to ensure that their demon seed would be endowed with superhuman Hitleresque oratory skills, so that they could finish the malignant masterplan they initiated with the 3rd Reich in the early 1930's.

For the good of humanity, you need to stay glued to this board for the entire date of November 6th to monitor all ATS field reports concerning the progress against this diabolical 2nd stage assault on the future of humankind. Your Romney vote is wasted, as you know, so devote your efforts to something that will mean something - posting your hyperbolic disdain in this forum, and in bold 14 pt caps so that the libertards know that you really mean it.

Amazing how people post on here thinking it is an American site. This is an international site. Make sure you include the rest of the world when posting.

Originally posted by earthdude
Amazing how people post on here thinking it is an American site. This is an international site. Make sure you include the rest of the world when posting.

Okay then, you need to never vote again too.


There....feel better?


edit* By the way, did you notice the title of this specific forum?

Check it out.

Originally posted by NorEaster
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I'm going to suggest that if you are the kind of person who "gets" this sort of thing, then yes, you should stay home and let the sheeple vote. By all means, let this election pass. Seriously. If you're hip to this information, then you probably know that Obama is a Marxist, Nazi, Muslim, Reptilian Manchurian Candidate that was smuggled into this country from Kenya back in 1961, after a super-secret cabal of atheist Communists had his stripper, porn model mom impregnated by a subversive terrorist black racist that they scientifically empowered via genetic manipulation to ensure that their demon seed would be endowed with superhuman Hitleresque oratory skills, so that they could finish the malignant masterplan they initiated with the 3rd Reich in the early 1930's.

If there were a "post of the month" this one would get my vote.

reply to post by Skyfloating

As far as the presidential vote goes, I'm going to have to say that I won't be. This is my first year to even be able to vote, so take it easy on me. I'm still learning the traits of it all. Seeing as how I was brought up in a family that doesn't believe in voting. But I just believe that both candidates are paid liars. I hope one day my vote does count, and we really have someone worth voting for.

reply to post by bobs_uruncle


Fortunately the state of NJ allows write in votes, as well as California, Wisconson, Iowa, Alabama, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Vermont,Delaware and Pennsylvania.

Here is a link to what is allowed by state:

imgur.com...

(appreciate if someone could embed)

Originally posted by yeahright

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Why would anyone bother to manipulate votes that don't count, anyway?

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

Brilliant question. I also wonder about something....

The message the OP seems to be saying is just give up because it's pointless to vote.... What a depressing way of thinking...

You suggest we should just note vote? We should just give up because there is nothing we can do? We should just let the country go to hell? You must be a very depressed person feeling that way,OP.

Personally, I refuse to give up and just let things get bad. We are not stuck with just two choices you know. Things are not hopeless.... If we end up with a president that we do not like... It's up to the people to stand up and change thing! Not just give up and hide under the bed....

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

www.archives.gov...

OP,the above quote is why your way of thinking is wrong... You imply it is hopeless and there is nothing we can do... I suggest you are afraid and don't know what to do...

I refuse to just give up as you are pushing people to do...

As all it takes for evil to prevail is for a few good men to do nothing....

You can go hide if you want. But I hope the rest of us get out there and do something that will actually help...Like VOTE.... You seem to think we are tied to a two party system.Are you aware of just how many political parties there really are?

Are you aware that we have the right to change the government? Well,now you are... Come out from hiding and start fighting

reply to post by Bodhi911


or vote for people not mentioned by lame stream media

What can be accomplished by not voting? That if it catches on, everyone gives up on democracy? How does it look for the whole world to see a record number of Americans no longer interested in voting? That doesn't sound like anything to be proud of. That sounds like apathy. Anyone who has lost faith in right vs left should consider an independent vote.