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Originally posted by detachedindividual
This is a messed up situation, but based on all of that, I would be ruling that the kids stay with their mother. I don't care if you think the kids are too young to decide, at 9 an up I don't believe they are too young. They can be asked, and they can give an answer. They obviously wanted to stay with their mother, and IMO that should be the end of the story.
Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by Flavian
Judging by the reaction of the children being hauled off, they will take the first opportunity they can to run away from their father.
What I am afraid of is the possibility of the next headline being "Kids found dead in Italy".
"The evidence all points to the fact the girls all love their father, even if they do not want to return to Italy," Justice Forrest said.
news.co m.au
Originally posted by wigit
They should have been left with their mum if that's where they want to be, in my opinion.
In a lengthy legal analysis, Justice Forrest rejected all three grounds argued by the mother for her daughters to remain in Australia.
Her arguments that it was "impractical" to send them back, that there were "exceptional circumstances" for them to stay, and it had been "12 months" since the return order was made were all rejected.
But Justice Forrest found the girls had been significantly influenced by the mother and those around her, including "extremely inappropriate and bizarre" views of their maternal great grandmother.
He told the hearing that when Queensland police found them in hiding, the great grandmother declared in front of them, "How exciting. Who is going to play you in the movie? They will have to find a good little dark-headed actress to play you".
news.co m.au
Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by ollncasino
We'll see. I'll revisit this thread when we get more news - hopefully it's not regarding the kids murders or something.
I do think you are being rather gullible though mate, just my opinion
Originally posted by Kryties
As I said, time will tell. Lets see how this plays out in Italy with media scrutiny behind it - methinks we are going to find out a few things about the father that he would wish dearly to be kept secret.
Originally posted by Kryties
By the way - did you see the ABC interview with the father's Australian lawyer? He has got to be the dodgiest looking bloke I have seen in a LONG time. I half expected him to get his cousins and go start a street race in his in his WRX.
Originally posted by ollncasino
Actually, the judge in the case has stated that she has heard no evidence that supported allegations that he was abusive.
I didn't. Perhaps I can catch it on YouTube?
Originally posted by SilentNoise
It's amazing the sexists in this thread willing to stand up for a person who kidnaps children.
If it was a male everyone would be wailing on him in a heart beat, but because it's a female they give her the benefit of the doubt.
Actions speak louder than words, and it's clear the father is the better parent. With custody awarded to him, there would have been no child support to be paid etc. He could have easily walked away and forgot about the kids. But instead decided to fight for them.
Originally posted by bluemirage5
I totally disagree with you. If there is a past of family violence then the children should not be forced to return to the offending parent.
If this case was heard in NZ, the violent parent would loose due to clauses in their family court law; we all know the Australian judicial system is pretty much left behind and is in dire need of a major overhaul.
Originally posted by ollncasino
I can only presume it is because the accused is a man and the accuser a women.
Originally posted by Kryties
You seem to believe that judges are incapable of making mistakes. Yet history has proven time and time again that they make mistakes - regularly.
Originally posted by ollncasino
Mothers in custody battles can tell lies.
The mother has not been able to resent any evidence that confirms her allegations of abuse. It would be reasonable to assume that she is telling lies.
I am puzzled why you are so incident that the man is violent when the judge in the case has stated that she has seen any evidence to support the mother's allegations that he is abusive.
Would you be so insistent if it was a man making an accusation that a women was abusive?