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Originally posted by Sinny
Originally posted by eriktheawful
Originally posted by Sinny
reply to post by eriktheawful
Indeed, but two points to remember about the US and Nazi Germany is the fact the Higher ups in the US were funding them, and their expansion got to the point, where the US needed to get involved before they swallowed the entire globe.
Links and source please. You know how that works. Especially since you said in your post "is the fact", so no conspiracy theory links, actual proof instead.
It's no secret that there were groups in the US that supported Nazi Germany, but I've not seen anything showing that the US government officially supported them at all.
I could easily claim that Ireland was supporting Germany at the time.......and considering how vast the internet is, I bet if I dig hard enough I could find a link somewhere stating that.
Doesn't make it true however (being of Irish / Scottish decent myself, I'd be disappoint to learn that).
Still doesn't change my opinion of what the US should do right now.
Well, to quote my self, I said "US Higher ups".. and you just openly admitted that your self, whats the use in links?
Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by Sinny
Selective history is a bad thing Sinny... England doesn't have a sterling history at all regarding warfare. It was the nation that perfected the idea of Empire in the modern world and engaged in travesties globally. Of course a girl from Ireland knows these things, and they should strike home.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki cost roughly 180,000 lives, if memory serves, but ended a war that had something along the lines of 60,000,000 causalities ( again going by memory here. ) So cherry picking roughly 0.003% of those deaths to take a moral stand about... Well that is kind of hypocritical.
hypocritical
Definition
hy·po·crit·i·cal[ hìppə kríttik'l ]
ADJECTIVE
1. falsely claiming high principles: showing, originating from, or of the nature of hypocrisy
Source for definition
~Heff
Originally posted by pteridine
reply to post by Sinny
Some like to say that this was orchestrated by the US but there doesn't seem to be any evidence of that. Assange is a self made playboy. He looks more and more desperate as he tries to weasel out of his predicament. He is still playing the "poor Brad Manning" card hoping that public opinion will somehow get him off the hot seat. Of course it won't work, either for him or Manning. It is obvious to everyone that Assange cares deeply about Assange and is trying to make Assange a hero. He has already sacrificed clueless Brad but will continue to try and use him as long as it may help his case. Alas, his 15 minutes of fame has passed and he is again just an accused sex offender who has now also violated GB law.
He will likely stay in the embassy until Ecuador tires of him or has no further use for him. Maybe he has already seen an eviction notice and that is why he is so nervous.
Of course, the evil US is behind all of this as they are behind all bad that happens in the world. All other countries try to do only good but the US forces them to be bad, too. I keep asking people why there is more immigration to the US than emigration from the US if the US is so bad. Do you have an answer?
Here is something people always over look when discussing the Bombings.
Remember it was a secret weapon. Up until that time the A-Bomb was just a theory
The Tokyo control operator of the Japanese Broadcasting Corporation noticed that the Hiroshima station had gone off the air. He tried to re-establish his program by using another telephone line, but it too had failed.[34] About twenty minutes later the Tokyo railroad telegraph center realized that the main line telegraph had stopped working just north of Hiroshima. From some small railway stops within 16 kilometers (10 mi) of the city came unofficial and confused reports of a terrible explosion in Hiroshima. All these reports were transmitted to the headquarters of the Imperial Japanese Army General Staff.
Military bases repeatedly tried to call the Army Control Station in Hiroshima. The complete silence from that city puzzled the men at headquarters; they knew that no large enemy raid had occurred and that no sizeable store of explosives was in Hiroshima at that time. A young officer of the Japanese General Staff was instructed to fly immediately to Hiroshima, to land, survey the damage, and return to Tokyo with reliable information for the staff. It was generally felt at headquarters that nothing serious had taken place and that the explosion was just a rumor.
The staff officer went to the airport and took off for the southwest. After flying for about three hours, while still nearly one hundred miles (160 km) from Hiroshima, he and his pilot saw a great cloud of smoke from the bomb. In the bright afternoon, the remains of Hiroshima were burning. Their plane soon reached the city, around which they circled in disbelief. A great scar on the land still burning and covered by a heavy cloud of smoke was all that was left. They landed south of the city, and the staff officer, after reporting to Tokyo, immediately began to organize relief measures.
Its called the Fog of War
Last Kamikaze Attack
Rear Admiral Matome Ugaki, the second in command of the Combined Pacific Fleet, directed the last official kamikaze attack, sending some "Judy"s from the 701st Air Group against the Allied fleet at Okinawa on August 15, 1945.
Japanese leaders, many demonstrating little concern for the suffering of their own people, had already witnessed U.S. firebombing and often near-total destruction of 64 cities without ending the war.
The U.S. had shown it could level Japanese cities almost at will in the months preceding Hiroshima. Whether the U.S. did so with hundreds of bombers or with one plane and one bomb did not fundamentally alter the strategic situation in the eyes of Japanese leaders.
Even Army Minister Korechika Anami’s startling announcement on August 9 that he had intelligence indicating that the U.S. might have more than 100 additional atomic bombs and that Tokyo would be the next target did not change the views of members of the War Cabinet who remained deadlocked 3-3 over whether to simply demand retention of the emperor system or to add three additional conditions
Originally posted by Sinny
The "poor Bradley Manning" card.... Bloody Nora! At least some ones defending that poor PATRIOTIC, HERO of a man!
Originally posted by Sinny
...soldiers who, by the way, are by majority, cold blooded killers.
Originally posted by pteridine
Originally posted by Sinny
The "poor Bradley Manning" card.... Bloody Nora! At least some ones defending that poor PATRIOTIC, HERO of a man!
"Patriotic hero?" How about "easily manipulated victim of Assange?" I can accept the latter. That doesn't justify Brad's actions and he will be held responsible. Outrage by the easily offended will not save either from the consequences of their actions. Assange's desire for fame and importance has claimed Brad as a victim and Julian will make many speeches pretending to care about him. The speeches will be designed to keep Assange in the public eye to satisfy his ego.
I had to find out what "bloody nora" meant; perhaps it was a British courtesan who lost her head to some Queen of Hearts. Now for something completely different..... askville.amazon.com... "It was those Cockneys again.
The ‘Nora' is not a woman's name but a form of the word ‘horror'.
The phrase started off as "flaming horror" (or "flipping/bloody etc horror") as a cry of dismay/disbelief.
In the normal Cockney manner, the final ‘g' and the opening ‘h' were dropped to produce something that sounded like "flamin-orror" and that in turn over the years became "Flamin' Nora!"...or "Bloody Nora" as a stronger alternative.
So Nora wasn't a person at all but the result of an accent."
Fancy that!
Originally posted by Kang69
reply to post by frazzle
The Constitution. Franklin and Jefferson had some pretty neat ideas.
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. – Benjamin Franklin
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.-Thomas Jefferson
This is why you hear the saying "the founders are rolling in their graves." We have a Central Bank today, and with the Patriot Act, NDAA, and NDRP people are wondering what's happening to this country.
I just had to throw this in here:
Give me control of a nations money supply, and I care not who makes it’s laws. Mater Amschel Rothschild, founder of the Rothschild banking dynasty.
Originally posted by Rubicant13
... America had to go many steps beyond and level two cities, killing millions of people.