Will We, Can We Survive?, page 1


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reply posted on 24-9-2012 @ 01:17 AM by litterbaux
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I didn't go past your post. I didn't need to. Everyone that thinks we will somehow survive ourselves, is clueless.

It's frightening, but it's true.


reply posted on 24-9-2012 @ 01:28 AM by silent thunder
Here's a depressing piece of math. Consider two boxes filled with many numbered ping-pong balls, each with a different number. One box has a million balls numbered 1 to1,000,000. The other has 100 balls, numbered 1 to 100. The size of the boxes is concealed so you don't know which is which: All you see are two holes. You reach into one of the holes and pull out a ball and its numbered, say, "70." You have to guess which box it came from: The box with 100 balls or the box with a million balls.?

Now, technically it could have come from either, but the odds are it came from the box with 100 balls, because your chances of picking a ball numbered between 1 and 100 (as "70" is) is 100% from the smaller box, but only 0.01% from the bigger box.

Now, let's extrapolate that as an analogy to trying to figure out the length of the human species. We find ourselves alive about 100,000 years since humanity came into existence (depending on how you define "humanity.") This is our "numbered ball." Now, assuming that you or I could have been born anywhere in the extent of the human species' existence (near the beginning, the middle, or the end of its history), the odds are that the human species won't last, say, ten million or 100 million years...because its much less likely that we'd be born only 100,000 years into the species' history in that kind of scenario...just like it's less likely you'd pick out a ball numbered "70" from a box with a million numbered balls than a box with only 100 numbered balls.

Think about it...

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reply posted on 24-9-2012 @ 03:29 AM by penninja
Originally posted by litterbaux
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post by Miri08



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I didn't go past your post. I didn't need to. Everyone that thinks we will somehow survive ourselves, is clueless.

It's frightening, but it's true.


Really?

I'm kinda more like this about it.




reply posted on 24-9-2012 @ 03:31 AM by elysiumfire
The state of current contemporary societies around the globe don't seem to offer much in the way of good odds on our species survival. All the noble concepts and ideas on freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of one's own happiness unfettered and unassailed by outside interest/s have died a cowards ignorant death. Populations no longer care enough to fight for noble concepts, for the ideas that civilise us. America spends more on the ability to harm other nations and the planet than it does on healthcare for its own people. That right there speaks volumes about the state of our globalising society.

The globalising of society brings with it a unique problem, a clash of cultures and that will ultimately bring conflict and war. It's inevitable, because some cultures, and groups within cultures, will never allow themselves to integrate globally. Some cultures are just too alien to each other.

By the same token, the forces driving globalisation will not allow their agenda to be derailed, because the elitist groups supplying the globalising force believe that our species' only way to survive is to globalise, and so they are steam-rolling the agenda out, absolutely hammering it into place. They are engineering catastrophe and disaster one after another to weaken societies militarily and economically, creating an umberella network of dependent states and countries conjoined not by tolerance and peace, but through hardship and struggle to remain as a embryonic state of a globalised government. Democracy is dead! In its place is a corporatocracy feigning itself, and being promoted as something democratic...it isn't, it is more akin to fascism.

Populations cannot save themselves from this corporatitic (read orwellian) future. Only in primitive cultures can revolutions bring change. Modern societies like in America and in Europe, won't ever see sweeping revolutions taking place again. Even the revolutions of the Arab Spring uprisings were successful, only because the West gave aid to them. Without that aid, they would not have made completion. The Syrian rebels will not succeed without external aid from the West. Syria and Iran are fault lines on which WW3 could occur, it all depends on Russia and China, and the manner in which the Syrian and Iranian regimes are changed...it is part of the globalising agenda.

Personally, I think both Russia and China are in on the globalising network anyway, and will not imperil their own nations for that of muslim countries. In the globalising agenda, the muslim is being made the scapegoat for the world's ills, which is why they are goaded into presenting themselves as barbaric through their fundamentalistic religious doctrines when they perceive their God and Prophet desecrated by the West. It keeps sympathy for them down, and but for the resources in their countries which the West is currently trying to steal, they wouldn't have a part to play in the great scheme of things, they would be like poor African nations which the West no longer pays heed to. Instead of taking the whole Muslim race head on in one big war, the West is doing it piecemeal, country by country. Iraq is no longer a global threat, and the other oil-rich Arab nations with their dictators are maintaining a respectful relationship with the West, just as long as they can hold onto their elitist trappings...but for how long, who can tell?

So, will our species survive into the future? Yes it will. It may become radically reduced, which is also part of the agenda, but again, I state this with reservations, because it depends on the maintenance of control on how the agenda unfolds.



reply posted on 24-9-2012 @ 04:03 AM by penninja
All I'm saying is I dunno about you guys, but I know I'm going to live, my kids are going to live, and i'm going to have a good time through whatever happens next.

It's funny I like doom threads for s different reason, I look forward to all advancements that come after periods of stupidity, I see it as "survive and i'll get to live to be 180 wooo hooo" I get to live through some serious history, maybe get to witness first hand some of the greatest disasters of all time and survive and ...wow, how awesome will things be after that?

It sounds strange I know

But there is a strange fact

Most people who get stranded at sea go 2 routes....

Group 1: Dies within a few days at most, does a Leonardo DiCaprio and slips into the water

Group 2: much less common, will hang on against all odds, week after week.... until they get rescued or wash ashore somewhere...

I'm a group 2, I've always known that, it is a way of thinking.... I can't explain it really, my rational mind knows better than to despair... eventually i'll wash up somewhere just have to hang on.

Cancer is to that small fraction of us.... a reason to cure cancer

Maybe that is why things suck from time to time... it evolves us.

The guy above mentions Fukushima, I never actually think "i'll die from that" I think ... "when enough people die they will fix it better take my Iodine pill, keep an eye on the wind"

It's a funny subject... Die from Fukushima? I'm actually going to Japan again soon, I just use my head, know the weather, what's being burnt here or there, when, which fish are tainted and... heck I'll do fine a few months in Osaka"

Last week there was a news story about future tsunamis, I just look up elevation maps when picking Hotels...

I think honestly if I die b4 seeing the next step... it will be by unfortunate accident not disaster. Fallout, greenhouse gases, war... none of these things scare me, I have a Brain, I use it...

slipping on the ice...that scares me, now that, that can screw up all my plans


reply posted on 24-9-2012 @ 11:31 PM by all2human
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Let me ask you a question,Why is it that Christians who preach about love are so willing to accept that anyone who disagrees with them is going to be tortured forever?
cause I can see why you'd believe humans are all doomed with that rational
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reply posted on 25-9-2012 @ 03:47 AM by penninja
Originally posted by Lazarus Short
Originally posted by penninja

I am willing to bet you get Cancer from the Fallout and I do not.

Did you know that the very diagnosis of Cancer decreases the Immune system by 70% or more within minutes?

That Bible it's a very depressing book you know?

I rather watch stuff like this so when the Tsunami comes I know how to ride it.


Probably think i'm trolling with these vids right?

Nope, this one is particularly right, learning to surf... it teaches you to go with the flow because it's when you don't that death will actually come for you

And the music is kind of appropriate too... More Human than You Man... what a negative mind set to be carrying around, why would you do that to yourself? Man creates Cancer man can defeat Cancer, Fukushima isn't the end of the world.



Why do you think my mind set is negative? I simply take note of the certainty of death, the vastly increased risks in our generation, and I say to self, well bump that. It's not despair, it's a rational conclusion. As a believer in Jesus, Heaven, and eternal life in a better place, I do not fear death. For me, it's going with the flow. You're circling the drain from the moment you're born. Oh, I don't fear cancer either...


You just said



It's not depair, it's rational conclusion


Then went on to say


As a believer in Jesus, Heaven, and eternal life in a better place, I do not fear death.


I wont get into rational or irrational beyond making that note above.

I will say, Those beliefs don't do much for the desire to survive. Imho it's a center of the brain to help the conscious mind cope with the reality of death. I lack that coping mechanism I am pretty sure the next mechanism evolving in the mind is the awareness that you don' t have to "cope" with death but rather one has the capacity to thwart it.


reply posted on 25-9-2012 @ 06:35 AM by azureskys
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This is exactly how I feel about our survivability

"It has yet to be proven that intelligence has any survival value."
-Arthur C. Clarke-



As far as the Return of Jesus.. I think his essence has returned many times and we killed him.
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reply posted on 25-9-2012 @ 08:21 PM by Lazarus Short
Originally posted by all2human
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post by Lazarus Short



Let me ask you a question,Why is it that Christians who preach about love are so willing to accept that anyone who disagrees with them is going to be tortured forever?
cause I can see why you'd believe humans are all doomed with that rational
edit on 24-9-2012 by all2human because: (no reason given)


That's an interesting question, and probably one best perceived by someone outside the Christian community. I think most Christians do not realise the inconsistency of love + eternal torment. Hell and eternal torment came in from pagan sources, easily proved from church history. There are three schools of thought that I am aware of on this:

eternal torture - believed in by those who stress the justice of God

final annihilation - believed in by those who stress the mercy of God

universal reconciliation - believed in by those who stress the love of God

I stand solidly with #3, BTW. Hell is best found in Dante, Milton, and other works of art/fiction. Yeah, did you ever notice that all accounts of Hell are fictional or anecdotal? The Bible is quite silent on the subject, people have to twist things to prove it.

Heaven, yes.

Hell, no!
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