Originally posted by Alyssa
Why does mankind deny this fact about their existence? If mankind accepted this ultimate truth they could then embrace Transhumanism. Fusion between
man The Flesh Machine and advance machine is the only logical outcome if we wish to evolve beyond our current limitations. There are no gods, angels
or aliens that will guide you in life. Everything from your morals to believing in good or evil are primitive means of keeping a societal structure
Just imagine a world where nobody is ever alone. If you have no sexual market value you simply can buy a mate who will always love you. Don't
understand a language? Just download it into your cybernetic brain. Can't afford a vacation? Log into a simulated reality for low price. This is true
bliss of what Transhumanism can bring to all those people suffering. Making the disabled walk again, cures for diseases, complete cybernetic upgrade
into a better human being. NO RELIGION can do this, NO GOD will save humanity, only giving ourselves to Transhumanism can push us forward.
Upgrade to the better human.
As of right now, I'm with you in the first paragraph, mostly. I agree that we're flesh machines. I agree that we're confined to our flesh bodies and
whatever evolutionary deficits they possess. I agree that it's likely there're no gods or angels or aliens to guide us. Rather, I see us as I
similarly see bugs, viruses, birds, reptiles, fish, and other creatures. We're all struggling to survive and evolve. We all live under the tyranny of
nature. I also agree, to some extent, that belief in good and evil and spiritualism is a feeble attempt to maintain order. It's a way to grasp a sense
of control over things that, in many cases, are outside our control. It's a way to acquire purpose and continuity in the midst of adversity.
In the second paragraph, you move too quickly. I still have great respect for our history and our struggles. Even though I am saddened and often hurt
in my soul when I contemplate this world, I do not think that changing it's as easy as you want it to be. In fact, combining ourselves with machines
or computers or other such things to overcome limitations will require 100's of years, maybe thousands or more. It's already happening right now, with
telecommunications, computerized databases, robotics, and so on. But it'll be a long process since technology can outpace our ability to use it well
and war and strife and conflict can prolong our misery. You see, while I commend your forthrightness and your interest in Transhumanism, I feel that
you fail to take into consideration the complexity and monumental effort that's required for us to transition to a new state.
Just look around you. At the planet. Lots of envrionmental degredation. We'll spend the next 100-600+ years cleaning up the mess. And there'll be more
extinctions too. How will we clean that up? We'll be dealing with bad weather that result from added greenhouses gases for a while as well. This whole
planet is going to become like a spaceship, as we'll be required to maintain it because our population is so great that we inevitably must control our
actions and the actions of the planet to remain halfway comfortable. There's terrorism too. With ever increasing yields in explosive power and more
devastating viral/pathogen weapons, the ability to kill others has never been greater and will just grow worse. With all of these wonderful
technologies comes a swarm of problems that will, like parasites, storm our shores and invade our hopes and dreams. There's so much I could talk about
here and it'll all be an obstacle to a better world. Consequently, even as things get better, more problems will crop up. All the way from the Amoeba
to the Human there're struggles. Why would there be no struggles after Humans evolve further? There's no indication the struggles will stop. There
will always be struggles. Worse, science shows that the longevity of a species is about 2 million years. The human species is about 2 million years
old. So the clock is ticking and our future as a species is questionable. And all of the genetic tinkering that's sure to happen. I wonder how many
outbreaks of bugged genetic code will escape from labs or residential illegal production? Genetic modification is a time bomb soon to explode. With so
many people on the planet, it could spread crazy.
I want to be optimistic, but I'm innately a pessimist. I'm OCPD too. So I can't change. I obsessively stick to my pessimism like it's a natural
compliment to my body. Almost everything I do is an expression of my critical or cynical attitude. I don't respond well to people who're cheery.
I fully anticipate most of the people here, if they're still alive in 60 years, laughing at their youthful optimism. We were so naive and thought we
might live forever, just maybe. /lol. Well, I guess it kept us going. But now we're old. Wisened. We know that things require more time and that
things are always harder than we want them to be. Death always seems scarier when we're young too.
I asked someone who was 99 what the biggest problem was. He said greed. Yes, 99 years and that's his best answer. If a guy can live 99 years and still
think greed is a big problem, well...
...then I can only think it's something of a problem.
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