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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by MamaJ
I would read these men's statements before you decide to join Masonry:
Link.
Originally posted by Observationalist
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by MamaJ
But what is the definition of 'evil'? My definition is: anything that takes away, or serves the self at the expense of others.
But what is there that takes without giving? If you look at it right, there's nothing that takes without giving. Even a murderer gives the survivors a whole new perspective, one that says, "Hey, you're still alive. You've been given a second chance. What will you do with it?" They were given that.
Even a forest fire leaves ash to nourish the next generation of plants. Even an atomic bomb gives us a lesson (brutal though it may be) in matters of what's best left alone.
In my opinion, there is nothing truly 'evil'. There is only a perspective of "that's negative" and "that's positive". Because there are very, very few things that take without giving. I can't think of any right now, but that's not to say there aren't any.
Help me understand,
So the dad who decides to molest her daughter, is not commiting an act of evil but is infact providing her daughter with a perspective that will help her grow into a better person. At least it was her dad and not some stranger that might kill her.
Is this the logic your looking for to dismiss evil.edit on 17-9-2012 by Observationalist because: Spelling
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by MamaJ
Why don't you include yourself with them as well? We are all the same on the inside, we are all one. Don't raise Jesus or Hermes or whoever else up on a pedestal because they were no better than you or I are now.
Sure, you can look to them for guidance but don't ever look "up" to them, look to them at eye level. We are all the "I am", just different aspects of it.edit on 17-9-2012 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MamaJ
The sons and daughters of God failed in thought before there was ever even a foundation laid in/ on the Earth.
Abuse of power continues to happen today, we see this.
Power plus humility without the desires of self is what we are in my opinion supposed to be overcoming in the flesh.
This can be called many things but I like to call it at one ment or atonement.
Christhood is our goal.
He achieved this as well as others however his story throughout the ages of time has been documented under names other than Jesus.
A poster above read Job. Read Job again, only this time consider Jesus wrote Job. When you do this the story of Job begins to have new meaning.
When reading about Moses and Joshua, same thing, imagine Jesus as the entity Joshua. In my view Joshua mentored Moses, not the other way around. I believe Joshua was psychic.
Enoch, same thing. Read Enoch and imagine its Jesus.
Go back even further and study up on the Hermetic Philosophy. Anything you can find regarding Hermes/ Thoth (wisdom and thought) and you will again see Jesus words and wisdom appear.
Let the seeker also seek out Melchezedek and allow himself to see Jesus.
Before Adam/ mankind/ Jesus there was Amilius. The seeker who seeks will find Amilius was Jesus without form.
I would also like to add some other thoughts.
God to me is....
In his true " nature" the power of thought.
He is without form of which all things are the form.
He is without dimensions and proportions but contains all dimensions and proportions within his own nature.
He is the projection and manifestation of the eternal thinker.
We are one who make up the all.edit on 15-9-2012 by MamaJ because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Observationalist
In that example, you believe there was no positive that could be taken from the situation. Well, think about it: in that girl's future, she will be twice as likely to take a good hard look at whatever man tempts her to engage in a relationship. That sort of caution is very helpful in this world, and so she will not grow up to become like all the other dumb girls who think that being pregnant is "cool" or "awesome".
In short, she has gained a certain maturity from that harsh awakening. It's not the method any of us would have chosen, but it's there now, and she will benefit from it. Your own emotional stance keeps you from realizing that. And that's what 'good' and 'evil' really is all about, isn't it? A value attached to a concept based on how we feel about it, or the angle we are approaching it from.
edit on 17-9-2012 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Observationalist
Originally posted by Observationalist
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by MamaJ
But what is the definition of 'evil'? My definition is: anything that takes away, or serves the self at the expense of others.
But what is there that takes without giving? If you look at it right, there's nothing that takes without giving. Even a murderer gives the survivors a whole new perspective, one that says, "Hey, you're still alive. You've been given a second chance. What will you do with it?" They were given that.
Even a forest fire leaves ash to nourish the next generation of plants. Even an atomic bomb gives us a lesson (brutal though it may be) in matters of what's best left alone.
In my opinion, there is nothing truly 'evil'. There is only a perspective of "that's negative" and "that's positive". Because there are very, very few things that take without giving. I can't think of any right now, but that's not to say there aren't any.
Help me understand,
So the dad who decides to molest her daughter, is not commiting an act of evil but is infact providing her daughter with a perspective that will help her grow into a better person. At least it was her dad and not some stranger that might kill her.
Is this the logic your looking for to dismiss evil.edit on 17-9-2012 by Observationalist because: Spelling
AI, did you miss this post.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Observationalist
I think the level is determined by how far out of your way you went to make that negative effect happen, and how much positive is garnered afterward. It's called the "karmic cycle".edit on 17-9-2012 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by crazyguy2012
Originally posted by Observationalist
Originally posted by Observationalist
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by MamaJ
But what is the definition of 'evil'? My definition is: anything that takes away, or serves the self at the expense of others.
But what is there that takes without giving? If you look at it right, there's nothing that takes without giving. Even a murderer gives the survivors a whole new perspective, one that says, "Hey, you're still alive. You've been given a second chance. What will you do with it?" They were given that.
Even a forest fire leaves ash to nourish the next generation of plants. Even an atomic bomb gives us a lesson (brutal though it may be) in matters of what's best left alone.
In my opinion, there is nothing truly 'evil'. There is only a perspective of "that's negative" and "that's positive". Because there are very, very few things that take without giving. I can't think of any right now, but that's not to say there aren't any.
Help me understand,
So the dad who decides to molest her daughter, is not commiting an act of evil but is infact providing her daughter with a perspective that will help her grow into a better person. At least it was her dad and not some stranger that might kill her.
Is this the logic your looking for to dismiss evil.edit on 17-9-2012 by Observationalist because: Spelling
AI, did you miss this post.
The act in itself may be considered evil by some. But actions are not evil. Inanimate things are not evil. You say the dad is evil because of what he did. I am not going to justify it but the real question is why he did it. Was he himself molested and/or abused? Did that lead to drug and alcohol abuse? Did he suffer other mental problems? Typically people don't just become molesters and/or abusers and/or murderers overnight (I am sure there are a few exceptions) but what drove him to do such a thing? Is he evil becuase he was unable to understand right from wrong? If you believe in mentall illness and that the dad suffers the same then by definition I do not believe that is evil.
This is something to ponder.
reply to post by AfterInfinity
in that you learn more about the person doing the labeling than you learn about the actual situation.