Should US Embassies have panic rooms???, page 2

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reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 03:12 PM by Cosmic911

Don't forget all the CIA agents working under the guise of State Department diplomats!

reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 03:12 PM by jhn7537

But shouldnt these events be a huge eye opener to the security of the embassies? Essentailly, these embassies are US soil, now if someone attacked the US, we would likely fight back, but because its in foreign soil we sit back and watch hoping it doesnt escalate

I hope the US learns plenty from what happened over the last 24 hours and makes the necessary changes/improvements to all foreign embassies around the world

reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 03:21 PM by Destinyone

Originally posted by Sparky63
Better yet, why even bother having an embassy in a hostile country? I really don't see what purpose it serves other than being a target when the violence erupts. In this day and age I don't see any use for the physical presence of ambassadors and their staff.

I agree with you on this one Sparky. Plus, what's the point of having a panic room in Embassies on foreign soil, where there is political turmoil. That's kinda like digging a hole to crawl into, under the scorpion's nest...yes?

Des

reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 03:45 PM by MrSpad

Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by jhn7537
reply to post by freemarketsocialist

5 marines unloading a couple magazines into the storming crowd should get them to back off...
A squadron of of aircraft carpet bombing the city OTOH, that might send a real message about what is acceptable behavior. Attacking the embassy and killing the ambassador are both acts of war.

So let me understand you. Not only do you for some reason think Obama is Muslim but, you think when terrorists attack a consulate that you should carpet bomb the city it happened in? So when our embassys were hit in Kenya and Tanzania when should have carpet bombed the cities they were in? I do not recall Bush bombing anybody in Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Greece, or Austria when those embassies/consulates were attacked under his watch. Must be he was a Muslim to eh? Using your logic Clinton, Bush Sr. and Reagan were also Muslims just like Obama and Bush Jr. for not bombing the cities where Embassy attacks occured on their watched as well. Would you like me to go on or do you feel like maybe you should start getting some facts before you make silly posts yet?

reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 07:05 PM by mardukiscoming

reply to post by jhn7537

No sweat.But to be fair,I just heard a report where they said the attack was at the Embassy so now I am confused.If the MSM cannot get the facts straight,what are we supposed to think?

reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 07:36 PM by bg_socalif

Originally posted by jhn7537

Originally posted by ChrisF231
All US embassies and consulates have armed agents from the US State Department's Bureau of Diplomatic Security and locally recruited security guards who are usually unarmed an poorly trained. Most embassies also have a detachment of US Marines almost all of which number fewer than a dozen Marines led by a senior NCO.

Other countries use similar setups, Italians have a Carabinieri force to guard their embassies. Canadians have RCMP mounties.

If thats true, how is it that a bunch of men hopped over the wall in Cairo to tear down the US flag (putting up a black Islamic flag) and how is it that there were men who were allowed to set fires to the US embassy in Libya??
If we have marines or security there, Im assuming they have weapons, why wouldnt they open fire on them?

Embassy's do have panic rooms, it's besically where the communications room is as they are reinforced.

The host country is responsible for The Diplomatic security/Marine Security guards are there to protect the Embassy/Consulate staff, they are not there for offensive operations. They will defend themselves and the staff if required. If the grounds are breached then the security and staff retreat into the embassy/consulate and lock it down.

Security varies depending on location. Once I went to the US Consulate in Cebu Philippines, it was on the 6th floor of an office building.

reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 07:46 PM by blamethegreys

I think more effective than a panic room would be a state department that lets the Marines engage hostile threats with whatever weapons and personnel the Marine Corp deems vital to that mission.

Oh wait, even better: Take the state dept. out of the equation when it comes to embassy defense, let the Marine commander on the ground decide when that mob coming over the fence has become a clear and present danger...not some suit 2000 miles away.

OK couldn't resist editing to say: Miniguns!!!!!

edit on 12-9-2012 by blamethegreys because: (no reason given)

reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 07:51 PM by bluemirage5

reply to post by jhn7537

Once the Muslim Brotherhood takes over each and every Middle Eastern nation it would be in the best interests of all Western embassies they pull out immediately! To leave US embassies open now in the Middle East (except Israel) is down right irresponsible!

reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 08:08 PM by bg_socalif

Originally posted by blamethegreys
I think more effective than a panic room would be a state department that lets the Marines engage hostile threats with whatever weapons and personnel the Marine Corp deems vital to that mission.

Oh wait, even better: Take the state dept. out of the equation when it comes to embassy defense, let the Marine commander on the ground decide when that mob coming over the fence has become a clear and present danger...not some suit 2000 miles away.

OK couldn't resist editing to say: Miniguns!!!!!
edit on 12-9-2012 by blamethegreys because: (no reason given)

I totally agree!

Unfortunately they fall under the purview of the DoS RSO.

reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 09:14 PM by dwarfmcdougal

reply to post by DarthMuerte

edit on 12-9-2012 by dwarfmcdougal because: Posted accidentally

reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 09:16 PM by dwarfmcdougal

Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by jhn7537
reply to post by freemarketsocialist

5 marines unloading a couple magazines into the storming crowd should get them to back off...
A squadron of of aircraft carpet bombing the city OTOH, that might send a real message about what is acceptable behavior. Attacking the embassy and killing the ambassador are both acts of war.

This reaction would be comparable to the Pentagon deciding the best reaction to 9/11 is carpet-bombing NYC. Unfortunately you're missing the context of the whole situation. The reaction you are having is basically what the terrorists were hoping would happen. Misdirection of anger mixed with confusion. Basically the breeding ground for more worldwide instability. Well-done.

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