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reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 12:19 PM by bigfatfurrytexan
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This is the hypocrisy of the Muslim approach. They demand that we acknowledge their culture, etc, and show it respect. In return, however, they refuse to do the same for us. Not only is it asinine to think and entire 300 million people are responsible for the speech of a few individuals, but they also believe that we should stifle a core of our own culture: free speech.

Perhaps if they do not appreciate our free speech, they should ignore what we say? In this way we can have them feeling that their religion isn't under attack, and we can continue exercising our free speech.

Otherwise, there is no end game other than annhilation. We will not stifle free speech, they will not ignore our free speech and will want to fight about it. It isn't provocation to say something unless you tap them on the shoulder before you say it.


reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 12:36 PM by bigfatfurrytexan
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I don't blame the person who exercises their right to free speech, even if that speech is unsavory. "While I do not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death your right to say it".

I cannot help small minded and insecure people who constantly feel that the world is attacking them and their religion. But I certainly can help someone who has spoken their mind and is now under threat of death for it. Even if that person is a total a-hole.

While growing up the phrase "Sticks and stones may break my bones" was a popular lesson taught to us by our elders. It would seem to be a good lesson to export to a few Middle Eastern nations.
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reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 01:23 PM by sealing
Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
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I don't blame the person who exercises their right to free speech, even if that speech is unsavory. "While I do not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death your right to say it".

I cannot help small minded and insecure people who constantly feel that the world is attacking them and their religion. But I certainly can help someone who has spoken their mind and is now under threat of death for it. Even if that person is a total a-hole.

While growing up the phrase "Sticks and stones may break my bones" was a popular lesson taught to us by our elders. It would seem to be a good lesson to export to a few Middle Eastern nations.
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No I'm totally with u Texan (I'm a Texan too)
It's just the idea of going to a hornets nest and shaking it up.
Why now? Freedom of speech is the best thing we got going for us.
I agree with their right to do it. But the motive is suspect in my opinion.


reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 01:47 PM by BritofTexas
Originally posted by sealing
Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by sealing


I don't blame the person who exercises their right to free speech, even if that speech is unsavory. "While I do not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death your right to say it".

I cannot help small minded and insecure people who constantly feel that the world is attacking them and their religion. But I certainly can help someone who has spoken their mind and is now under threat of death for it. Even if that person is a total a-hole.

While growing up the phrase "Sticks and stones may break my bones" was a popular lesson taught to us by our elders. It would seem to be a good lesson to export to a few Middle Eastern nations.
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No I'm totally with u Texan (I'm a Texan too)
It's just the idea of going to a hornets nest and shaking it up.
Why now? Freedom of speech is the best thing we got going for us.
I agree with their right to do it. But the motive is suspect in my opinion.


I'm a Texan too. (Albeit an honorary one.)

Freedom of speech is what they will hide behind but let us be honest, it is not why they made the film.

Sam Bacile and his friends made it to incite the kind of response it got.


reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 02:16 PM by bigfatfurrytexan
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Absolutely. And I would have no problem with someone getting socked in the nose for exercising their freedom of speech. But to kill people....that is not the same thing. We should have repercussions from what we say, but those repercussions should not elicit this kind of response.

I find it totally pathetic that an entire segment of humanity would allow themselves to be controlled so easily. I mean, think about it from the perspective of, "Hey, watch this....I am going to make them go completely nuts. It'll be a hoot". It is like giving a fat kid a whole bunch of candy, knowing he will gorge himself, then laughing when he is laying there throwing up.

The whole thing disgusts me. I agree that the people making the movie likely had motives. And I would not agree with those motives. But, having said that, even if their motives offend me nothing offense me more than the Muslim response. It is as if they never stopped being surly teens.

When I say "they" i refer to those idiots who are rioting, and the morons who egg them on from their own religious and political leadership. It sickens me to think that I share DNA with creatures who wold take being offended over their religion and turn it into a reason for murder.
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reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 02:32 PM by SeekerofTruth101
Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
This is the hypocrisy of the Muslim approach. They demand that we acknowledge their culture, etc, and show it respect. In return, however, they refuse to do the same for us. Not only is it asinine to think and entire 300 million people are responsible for the speech of a few individuals, but they also believe that we should stifle a core of our own culture: free speech.

Perhaps if they do not appreciate our free speech, they should ignore what we say? In this way we can have them feeling that their religion isn't under attack, and we can continue exercising our free speech.

Otherwise, there is no end game other than annhilation. We will not stifle free speech, they will not ignore our free speech and will want to fight about it. It isn't provocation to say something unless you tap them on the shoulder before you say it.


Calm down with the emotional approach.

I do not seek to change your mind, but only to share an insight.

While you castigate the muslim's 'seemingly high handed demands' over rights and claiming insanely that ALL muslims are aspired as you claimed, had you looked seriously at how many fingers are actually pointing back at you as you point your single finger of blame to muslims?

Would you condone what the westboro apostate group had done to christianity? Would you condone the right winger brevik had done in keeping foreign elements out in a secular nation? Would you condone our Messiah being portrayed falsely? Would you condone the spitting upon of the original sacred written US Constitution?

You claim to respect free speech. I believe that. But would you have been comfortable with being apathetic, or would you have the conscience to join a peaceful demostration to protest those wrongs, or at least convince another to go there in your stead?

We and the muslims are no different in our common goals in life. It is only our form of worship that is different. Just because a few raise a ruckus, is never the representative of all, equally a right that you have if you support westboro apostates, tramplers of the constitution, brevik and condemnation of beliefs.

Worse if you condemn them all for the violence inflicted by the few. We are responsible for the moron bush's invasion of Iraq as a whole, but we as a whole are are not responsible for some idiot's depiction of a religious figure.

Freedom is a power by itself, and with power comes responsibilities to others. Abuse it and you are nothing but a misanthrope, hater of the human species.

What you had done and written in your post is no different from those murderers of the great ambassador Chris Stevens - condemning all for the work of one or a few.
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reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 03:06 PM by Zarniwoop
reply to post by Monkeygod333


I just viewed the trailer on Youtube. It looks like it was filmed on a set on par to a really bad SNL skit.

I'm all for freedom of speech, but Youtube is not a freedom of speech website.

Things like predatory behavior, stalking, threats, harassment, intimidation, invading privacy, revealing other people’s personal information, and inciting others to commit violent acts or to violate the Terms of Use are taken very seriously. Anyone caught doing these things may be permanently banned from YouTube.


Youtube Guidelines

Is it fair to say that this video has incited others to commit violent acts?

Let these fools find another way to spread their video. Perhaps Terry Jones should fly to Libya and hand out free DVD copies on the street.


reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 05:09 PM by RealSpoke
reply to post by beezzer


I have to say I agree with that 100%

I'm sick of people being apologetic to idiot Muslims who murdered people over being offended by a movie.
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