Stop The Revolution - Start The Evolution?

I don’t necessarily advocate the approach I'm outlining here. I’m simply exploring options. Obviously things aren’t working well in our current system and haven’t been for quite some time…

I’ve been told many times that voting and participating in the system is playing into the hands of TPTB. By voting we are condoning and further strengthening the current corruption in DC. Many believe this and refuse to participate. This is evident by percentage of votes cast each election cycle. Though many Americans already refuse to participate in this game there has been no positive change. This is because many Americans will NEVER stop participating. The current paradigm is kept alive because many of us are being controlled.

How are we being controlled?



Some of us (myself included) are driven to vote out of fear; fear of the damage certain public officials are capable of; fear of economic collapse; fear of instability; fear of losing my freedom; fear of not being able to provide for my family; fear of abandoning the only system I’ve ever known. Fear motivates some of us to continue fighting this losing battle for change and keeps us participating in this system.

Others are controlled by hope…



Obama’s 2008 “Hope and Change” is a great example of how hope is used to control. Many American’s were so desperate for change they allowed themselves to buy into the “Hope and Change” rhetoric despite the track record of the party promising change. Has anything really ever changed when the power shifts from one party to another?

I’ve always remained optimistic about the possibility of changing the system from within. However, this year I’ve come to the realization that the current paradigm we’re in is broken and I don’t see how it can ever be repaired; it’s too far gone. Good men go to Washington and become corrupt. Grass roots movements are high-jacked. More and more power is taken by the government and in exchange we have less and less liberty every year. The system eats up our efforts and spits them out and nothing ever changes!

Ron Paul has spent the past 40 years trying to change the system from within but nothing has really changed, has it? The game is rigged! The only way to win is to not participate; don’t vote; don’t buy corporate products; take your money out of the system. Is it possible to stop playing their game? Who will champion this cause? Who will wake up the sheeple while inspiring us all to reject the current paradigm? For those who think Ron Paul will lead this charge – think again.



What will happen if we stop playing their game and abiding by their rules? How could the elitist bankers and their corrupt centralized financial system survive without our participation? How could we survive without the products we rely so heavily on? Is there any hope we can pull this off while so many of us are still being controlled by Fear and Hope?

Where do we go from here?

reply to post by seabag





Fear is a Limitation. Disappear Fear... Existence is never Threatened.

Uh, people voted for Obama because the economy was losing
half a million jobs, because Mccain kept saying it wasn't that bad,
because Palin was as smart as my retarded cousin Willy...

The economy is going in the right direction now, it may be slow going,
but it is steady and these jobs are a result of the turmoil sorting itself
out.

I do not want a big corporatist to come in and build yet another bubble,
or set America up for another crisis.

Say what you guys will about Obama, but we are still here, he hasn't given
us to Russia, he doesn't wear a turban, our flag is the same, people can
still practice their religion, their hasn't been a Communist take over...

Originally posted by seabag
What will happen if we stop playing their game and abiding by their rules? How could the elitist bankers and their corrupt centralized financial system survive without our participation?

Us Yanks will never NOT participate.
After we watched our Gov attack and destroy a country , who never had any plans to harm us, we did nothing.

After watching our Bankers on Wall Street nearly bring the Worlds Economy to its knees, we did nothing.

Now our Handlers want to destroy another country who has no ill will towards us, we will do nothing.

WHY

Because in our hearts, we know that it is good for America.

It is good for our economy, it is good for our grip on Future Resources.

So if a few million Brown People die, in countries most Americans couldn`t locate on a globe, so be it.

God Blesses America, all other Deities dont matter.

Ralph Nader makes Ron Paul look like a piece of crap really. Nader offered more of an alternative. Ron Paul was always republican. Paul didnt even try at the end of the day. There is less hope by the day.



Its the same crap over and over.

Cool thread.

edit-I agree that dropping out is the solution. They are moving toward making the bulk of profit from our basic needs now though. It seems futile but what else can we do hey? Consumer strikes sound like a good idea. I cant think of anything more constructive or legal.

We need to blow it up and start again like in the book Fahrenheit 451. Only then can we rise like a pheonix. I agree, what we have cant be fixed. We shouldnt even try.

reply to post by thepresident

Uh, people voted for Obama because the economy was losing
half a million jobs, because Mccain kept saying it wasn't that bad,
because Palin was as smart as my retarded cousin Willy...

Yep….Hope and Change! How’s that working out?

The economy is going in the right direction now, it may be slow going,
but it is steady and these jobs are a result of the turmoil sorting itself
out.

Unemployment went from 7.8% – 8.3%
Median Income went from $54,983 to $50,964
Gasoline went from $1.85 - $3.78
National Debt went from $10.6T to $15.9T

Working out great, huh?

I do not want a big corporatist to come in and build yet another bubble,
or set America up for another crisis.

Who is advocating that? Did you read my OP?

Say what you guys will about Obama, but we are still here, he hasn't given
us to Russia, he doesn't wear a turban, our flag is the same, people can
still practice their religion, their hasn't been a Communist take over...

I won’t settle for his underachievement….

reply to post by Tw0Sides

Us Yanks will never NOT participate.

I believe that; I don’t think people will stop participating. I don’t necessarily advocate what I wrote in my OP either….I was just putting it out there for debate. It’s hard to see the light at the end of this long tunnel so I’m contemplating the options we have.

After we watched our Gov attack and destroy a country , who never had any plans to harm us, we did nothing.

After watching our Bankers on Wall Street nearly bring the Worlds Economy to its knees, we did nothing.

Now our Handlers want to destroy another country who has no ill will towards us, we will do nothing.

WHY

Because in our hearts, we know that it is good for America.

It is good for our economy, it is good for our grip on Future Resources.

So if a few million Brown People die, in countries most Americans couldn`t locate on a globe, so be it.

God Blesses America, all other Deities dont matter.

Turn your sarcasm down a bit!

reply to post by thepresident

Uh, people voted for Obama because the economy was losing half a million jobs,

losing a half a million jobs every 2 weeks. still are it never stopped.

Ron Paul, hah! I showed Seabag what Ron Paul was all about months ago..Libertarian Communism...a wolf in sheep's clothing.........no thanks!!

reply to post by seabag


Not voting, by default, is a vote for the GOP/corporations. Voting for Obama is still a vote for corporations just not as blatant. A vote for Ron Paul benefits Romney me thinks.

I'll vote Romney as I prefer a quick GOP induced death rather than a slow Democratic induced one. We are doomed to repeat lessons we didnt learn from. Then end is near therefore a new beginning is also.

Originally posted by Americanist
reply to post by seabag

 

Fear is a Limitation. Disappear Fear... Existence is never Threatened.

edit on 3-9-2012 by Americanist because: (no reason given)

Fear is the father of courage and the mother of safety.

~Henry H. Tweedy

reply to post by thepresident


The economy is no where close to better. All Obama did was get it jacked up on a bunch of cheap money, but that is no where near to fixing the problem. You say that you don't want another bubble but that exactly what Obama has and still is creating. The U.S. bonds market and the dollar itself is the next bubble. The more money that government spends the less money that is available for everyone else to spend. Government spending is now through the roof and you need to get over this republican/democrat paradigm. Yeah the Bush and Romney suck but if you think that Obama is better your delusional. Obama has carried out bushes same policy but in an even bigger scale. The economy is sicker than ever and Obama has done nothing but increase the illness. It is impossible to have a healthy economy on a fiat money system and Obama is embracing this fiat system to the fullest.

Originally posted by Mike.Ockizard

I'll vote Romney as I prefer a quick GOP induced death

I think you could have the makings of a good Bumper Sticker there.

Kill Us Quick
Vote Romney

reply to post by seabag


"Fear is the parent of cruelty."

JAMES ANTHONY FROUDE

The Republicans and Democrats have been running the show for as long as anyone can remember. They have both failed miserably.
Every election cycle they get their respective side all riled up thinking they have the right person running and things will be different this time.
Every time it turns out to be a catastrophic failure.

Anyone thinking one party or the other is going to save them or fix the country is living in their own little fantasy bubble. And when reality comes crashing down on their heads, it is going to be very painful for them.

It's my opinion that the system is beyond repair. I no longer have a vested interest in the outcome. I will take care of myself and I will be fine, I'm good at that. I suggest everyone else do the same.

reply to post by watchitburn

It's my opinion that the system is beyond repair. I no longer have a vested interest in the outcome. I will take care of myself and I will be fine, I'm good at that. I suggest everyone else do the same.

I’ve been on the fence for quite some time but I’m leaning toward your conclusion…

Do you think enough people (actual tax payers – not tax takers) will ever walk away from the system as you advocate?

Originally posted by seabag

Originally posted by Americanist
reply to post by seabag

 

Fear is a Limitation. Disappear Fear... Existence is never Threatened.

edit on 3-9-2012 by Americanist because: (no reason given)

Fear is the father of courage and the mother of safety.

~Henry H. Tweedy

Some people can't help running to their dominate ego. It takes some practice to identify and bust... Too bad Tweedy isn't around any longer. I'd give him pointers.

reply to post by Mike.Ockizard

Not voting, by default, is a vote for the GOP/corporations. Voting for Obama is still a vote for corporations just not as blatant. A vote for Ron Paul benefits Romney me thinks.

You’re right…regardless how many sit it out or vote third party, one of those two will be elected.

I'll vote Romney as I prefer a quick GOP induced death rather than a slow Democratic induced one. We are doomed to repeat lessons we didnt learn from. Then end is near therefore a new beginning is also.

Though I’d hate to see you vote for Obama, I must point out that if you want a fast-track to doom your best bet would be with Obama. Under 8 years of Bush it was fairly stable.

reply to post by seabag


No I don't think they will.

I don't know if it is misguided faith in the American way of life, just plain stubbornness, or willful ignorance.
But too many people are still too comfortable to be bothered with seeing things for how they are.

I have no answers.

But I think it's already too late. And when they do figure it out, If they do. It'll be when they are getting arrested for complaining.