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War On The Poor Continues As obama Seeks To Increas The Prices Of Beef

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posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 10:17 PM
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Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
reply to post by beezzer
 


Based on what?

And what is redistribution of costs?


When i say reditribution of wealth, I mean taking from the rich and giving it out to everyone who isn't.

When I say reditribution of cost, I mean that programmes designed to aid a specific group are going to be paid by everyone.

Hence, the title of your thread. Obama can justify having the poor and middle class bear the brunt of the 170 million boondogle by paying more at the market.




posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 10:32 PM
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Yep- small family operation here. It gets tricky when you start talking about ethanol. I don't feed corn, so it doesn't hit me hart. I find that ungulates, in general, don't handle corn well. Now, if you aren't keeping them long, there is no better feed for energy in the winter. That said, I keep a closed herd and I just find more problems than corn is worth. Hay prices, now that's a different story. Drought and weather in general will get us before speculators do.

Its tough to compete with corporate farms because they are vertically integrated. Our niche is grassfed, the corporate guys can't do that. They are designed to get calves, raise them on grass, fatten on grain and sell. So long as there are yuppies, god bless em, that are willing to pay for what it costs to raise naturally fed meat, I'll be in business. Hate to say it, but its true. Those same people who love wolves are the ones keeping the small operations going with their demand for naturally raised meat ( I am now cringing and waiting for a rancher with a wolf problem to chime in).



posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

When I say reditribution of cost, I mean that programmes designed to aid a specific group are going to be paid by everyone.
So using your quote, I think the 2 wars , started by a previous POTUS, a Repub I believe, would fit in here nicely.

And I do believe they cost a Tad more than 170 Mil.



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 01:46 AM
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reply to post by EvilSadamClone
 


This is for that post by beezzer but thought you might like a laugh.


Take your pick



Two Cow Politics


Socialism : You have two cows. You keep one and give one
to your neighbor.

Communism : You have two cows. The government takes them
Both and provides you with milk.

Fascism : You have two cows. The government takes them and
sells you the milk.

Bureaucracy : You have two cows. The government takes them
Both, shoots one, milks the other, pays you for the milk, and
Then pours it down the drain.

Capitalism : You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.

Corporate: You have two cows. You sell one, force the other to
produce the milk of four cows and then act surprised
When it drops dead.

Democracy : You have two cows. The government taxes you
To the point that you must sell them both in order to
support a man in a in a foreign country who has only one cow



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 01:50 AM
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Originally posted by azureskys
reply to post by EvilSadamClone
 


This is for that post by beezzer but thought you might like a laugh.


Take your pick



Two Cow Politics


Socialism : You have two cows. You keep one and give one
to your neighbor.

Communism : You have two cows. The government takes them
Both and provides you with milk.

Fascism : You have two cows. The government takes them and
sells you the milk.

Bureaucracy : You have two cows. The government takes them
Both, shoots one, milks the other, pays you for the milk, and
Then pours it down the drain.

Capitalism : You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.

Corporate: You have two cows. You sell one, force the other to
produce the milk of four cows and then act surprised
When it drops dead.

Democracy : You have two cows. The government taxes you
To the point that you must sell them both in order to
support a man in a in a foreign country who has only one cow


That's a riot!


Thanks!



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 01:55 AM
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Doesnt anyone see it? With the new rain water restrictions and HARRP they want you to pay for rain =/



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 03:00 AM
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Eh.. I am going to go with the poor do eat beef these days. You can get a burger for 85 cents. Unfortunately they eat poor quality, high fat, hormone injected beef.



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 09:43 AM
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UN urges US to drop ethanol mandate

Easing Ethanol Mandate would help avert food crisis; UN


Silva joins a growing and diverse chorus of people calling for an unprecedented waiver or suspension of the RFS. This week, 25 U.S. Senators urged the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to adjust the mandate, while the chief executive of grains giant Cargill said the free market should dictate biofuels use.


End Ethanol Mandate


Researchers at Texas A&M University have estimated that diverting corn to make ethanol forces Americans to pay $40 billion a year in higher food prices. On top of that, it costs taxpayers $1.78 in subsidies for each gallon of gasoline that corn-based ethanol replaces, according to the Congressional Budget Office.



As for the environmental virtues of ethanol, those were debunked long ago. True, gasoline-ethanol blends can lower greenhouse emissions by 20 percent, and ethanol can replace toxic additives such as benzene that make gasoline more combustible. But growing corn is energy intensive. Tractors that run on diesel fuel must plow fields, plant seed, spread fertilizer and pesticides (that run into local waterways), harvest the crop and haul it to refining plants. Unlike oil, ethanol is highly corrosive and can’t be transported by pipeline. Trucks or trains must carry the finished product to gasoline blenders. By some calculations, ethanol takes more energy to produce than it yields, negating the environmental benefits.



Food prices are up roughly 21% since 2007. For a family spending $100 a week in 2007 that means they are spending an additional $1092 dollars more this year for an equivalent amount of food. Along with "necessarily" higher energy costs, Insurance costs, healthcare costs and many other mundane costs rising their paychecks have not corrospondingly risen. The poorest in this case ARE the hardest hit. The progressive element who screams bloody murder when tax policy is at hand should be up in arms about whats happening policy wise to the poor and middle class in this country vis a vis bad policy - I hear crickets.



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Char-Lee
 


Eh.. I am going to go with the poor do eat beef these days. You can get a burger for 85 cents. Unfortunately they eat poor quality, high fat, hormone injected beef.


I am vegetarianism so guess out of the loop now days!



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 11:44 AM
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Because a lot of the farmers are having to sell their cattle because they can no longer feed them on the range with the drought being so bad.

So there is about to be a surplus on the market. What Obama is doing is making sure they don't lose too much money over it.

whoops: onyx beat me too it, guilty of posting before reading.
edit on 17-8-2012 by nixie_nox because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 11:47 AM
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It has been out of my price range lately. I treat myself to a steak now and then when I am TIRED of chicken.

Sigh, goes to eat chicken for lunch.



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 11:50 AM
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Wait.... we're talking steak? I had to give that up about a year ago! I'm down to staring at the 70/30 hamburger in Wal Mart and saying "I could swear this used to be $1.79 a pound... Why does it say $4.39 now???"

In other words, I'm already on chicken and downgrading to those little dollar packs of paper thin lunch meet they sell right next to the cheese....


If this gets worse I'll warn the world right now... I am NOT going to make a good vegetarian.

~Heff



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 12:02 PM
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I know. I am worried about food prices because I am crunched now. I have already had to resort to eating myMRE when things get tight.

And I used to be all fresh food and organic. Now my kid is getting chef boy r dee.

I rarely, ever go out, or get anything to eat. So the steak every once in a while is my version of that. Or I would go insane.
edit on 17-8-2012 by nixie_nox because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 12:04 PM
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If you really want to be mad about something poster. Be made at how gas prices are skyrocketing, yet everyone's gas mileage is getting dumped due to all the ethanol contaminating it.

So they raise the prices, and lower everyone's gas mileage.



posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by TXRabbit

Originally posted by groingrinder
Thank God it is beef. For a minute, I thought it said beer.


Then I'd have to take to the streets, armed to teeth!

"You can # with my taxes and you can # with my rights but don't you ever....EVER....# with my beer"

-said by me
-just now


At least put a condom over it. Just to be safe.



posted on Aug, 18 2012 @ 01:39 PM
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The OP does now that there's a horrible drought occurring throughout the Mid-West.... doesn't he?




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